The Makers of Naturethroid & WP Thyroid have contacted Janie Bowthorpe

IMPORTANT FROM JANIE: Sadly, since I posted the below, there have been a large and growing body of patients who have found that the “new” Naturethroid (in the same amount that once removed their hypothyroid symptoms) has left them with with major symptoms, plus free T3 and free T4 very low in the range and a high TSH. Those who have tried raising state it has done nothing to return them to their former state.

There are a very few who report feeling fine…but, we notice that the longer someone is on the new Naturethroid, the more the hypo symptoms creep up.  i.e. it can be the adrenaline being released that fools people into feeling better…until they crash.  Just an FYI. 

Here is a May 16th, 2018 update directly from RLC Labs to me via email (and perhaps on their site)–the maker of Naturethroid and WP Thyroid, both natural desiccated thyroid brands. Comments from me, Janie Bowthorpe, below that. 

Since we went back into production, there have been a lot of questions–understandably so– around what caused the backorder, why certain strengths have been released ahead of others, and why available strengths are not yet at some pharmacies. We have done our best to communicate updates throughout the delay but deeply apologize if they did not reach you or answer your questions. It is not our intention to keep anyone in the dark or hide anything, and we hope this letter helps clear things up a bit more.

After expanding our operations to better accommodate growing demand and overcoming hurdles in obtaining raw material–the primary factor behind the backorder–we are happy to say that everything needed to ensure ongoing, full-scale production is in place. We are actively shipping and are focused on filling backorders.

We are far from being a “big pharma” company, however, and do not have the scale of one, but we are maximizing our working capacity and mean it when we say every effort is being made to expedite things. We are a small but dedicated team, many of whom take Nature-Throid® and WP Thyroid® , that has been and continues to be committed to keeping patients, not profits, the top priority. We also have very strict quality standards. Every batch of Nature-Throid and WP Thyroid is rigorously tested to ensure it meets or exceeds United States Pharmacopeia (USP) monographs for potency and consistency.

Our commitment to quality has been a huge factor in why no RLC Labs® medication has ever being recalled for inconsistent hormones and we do our due diligence to keep it that way. Working through our existing orders at our size and with our strict quality standards takes time, but progress is being made–including with WP Thyroid, which we will share updates on as soon as they become available.

We remain committed to staying as transparent as possible throughout this process, but just like any other company, some of our information–such as our processes and sources–is strictly internal-only. This has been understandably frustrating in some instances, but please know that we are sharing what information we can when we can. We will continue to do so, just as we have from the start, until all strengths are fully stocked and available again.

In that spirit, here are the real facts of some rumors you may have heard along the way:

● RLC Labs is not going out of business, nor have we been acquired by any other company.
● There are no issues with our licensing and the backorder is completely unrelated to any governmental or FDA-related rumors.
● Neither of our medications, nor any strengths of them, are being discontinued.
● We stay committed to maintaining the affordability of our medications. Pharmacies set their own prices, but ours have not changed.
● Our strict quality standards apply to every part of our operation–from our guaranteed hormone levels to our materials and manufacturing–which is why we carefully source our thyroid from the U.S. and Canada and are only in production in the continental U.S.

It has been difficult not being able to serve our patients at the level you have come to know and expect from us, but we know that what we are dealing with is a far cry from the challenges our patients are facing and for that we are truly sorry. Our teams are working around the clock to get us back on track, but below are some suggestions if your doctor or pharmacy is having trouble obtaining available strengths, or if you are having trouble locating them. Your continued understanding, patience, and support are greatly appreciated as we work to make things right.

ORDERING AND LOCATING AVAILABLE STRENGTHS

Please check the availability statement on our website (getrealthyroid.com) for a list of actively shipping strengths. If your doctor or pharmacy is having trouble obtaining available strengths, they can contact us directly for assistance via the ‘Provider’ tab on our contact page. Any pharmacy of your choice that is not required to order through a wholesaler can also contact us through our website for a direct account–this applies for many healthcare providers as well. Please note that most pharmacies do not order directly from RLC Labs but through third party suppliers, and many large chains are required to order through a wholesaler. Once product is out our doors, we have no control over how it is prioritized or distributed among pharmacies, nor do we have any insight into a specific location’s inventory. If you are having trouble getting an available strength from your local pharmacies, we recommend checking any of the mail-order pharmacies listed on our website. The states shown only indicate where they are located; please check the pharmacy’s website or contact them to see where they ship. When getting your prescription filled through any pharmacy–brick & mortar or mail-order–we also recommend asking for both the cash price and insurance price (pending coverage) as all pharmacies set their own prices.

Comments and summary from Janie Bowthorpe

As long as I’ve been doing this, I’ve always been amazed at the false information patients receive from Pharmacists especially, then from each other, which spreads like wildfire in groups.

For example, note above that RLC has not been bought out by another company, and they have their tablets produced in the continental US, i.e. NOT in Puerto Rico. Both rumors were rampant and widespread. I even approved a few comments on the STTM blog posts that stated the Puerto Rico comment, and had massive doubts. But the rest of their comment was too good to reject the post.

Also note that RLC labs is working on getting WP Thyroid back as well i.e., no, it has not been discontinued–another rumor. The lesson is: don’t believe everything you hear!!

Also note that the reason this all happened, says RLC Labs, is because of increased difficulty in obtaining their Thyroid USP–that means the desiccated porcine powder. Costs were getting higher, as well. So they state they are now sourcing their thyroid powder from both the US and Canada…they wouldn’t state from whom. The latter is also on top of “some infrastructural upgrades (bigger facility, updated technology, refined processes) not too long ago”, stated RLC, to better meet the growing demand for their medications.

Finally, I think it was a good recommendation to ask for both the cash price and insurance price at your pharmacy. There may be a savings there.

In the meantime….

There are other good Natural Desiccated Thyroid products like NP Thyroid made by Acella–many good reports on that one. Even the less popular Armour has been working for some, even if not all. Here is a summary of your choices for a much better treatment of your hypothyroid state.

Also please note: if you switch and don’t feel you aren’t doing well, consider two things:

  1. The amount that did you well on Naturethroid or WP may be a different amount with another brand. REDO YOUR FREE T3 and FREE T4 and see how you stand after being on the different brand a few weeks, because you may need to tweak. Optimal puts the free T3 toward the top along with a free T4 mid-range.
  2. Some people have developed either a cortisol problem and/or iron issue, and it’s being revealed on the different brand. Find out by doing all four iron labs and cortisol saliva testing. Too many people are blaming brands, and it’s most likely either 1 or 2 are the real problems.

Don’t hesitate to comment below! Could RLC Labs have done all this better than they did?  Does the above give you peace of mind? Have YOU been able to acquire the latest Naturethroid? How are you doing??

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  • Need a good discussion group with integrity? Go here.
  • STUDY the Natural Thyroid 101 page on how patients have learned to use Natural Desiccated Thyroid–it’s important, as too many patients under dose themselves!
  • STAND UP AGAINST A DOCTOR who tries to dose you by the TSH. Be educated to counter his or lack of education!!
  • READ the STTM books! YOU have to become informed and confident to stand up to bad doctoring. 
  • HAD A BAD REACTION TO ANY NDT?? It’s correctible!! Study this page

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366 Responses to “The Makers of Naturethroid & WP Thyroid have contacted Janie Bowthorpe”

  1. Trisha

    Please help! I have called local pharmacies in Southern California a few times and have NEVER been able to find ONE pharmacy (WALGREENS, CVS, Rite Aid) that carries NP by Acella. WHERE the heck do you get it?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Trisha. Go to the Acella website, get their phone number, and present it to all pharmacists and ask them to CALL Acella. Acella will explain how they can get some.

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  2. Angie

    For those of you that have experienced problems with Nature-throid or WP, strongly urge you to sign the petition to RLC Labs’s CEO, Customer Service, and Chief Science Officer requesting that they respond to the many patient questions and complaints regarding same…the petition resides at MoveOn.org and can be found via this link: https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nature-throid-and-wp.fb50?source=c.fb&r_by=3013015&fbclid=IwAR0EARNtzo2BAJVqS2un4Pi93uFhTaXkYLe4mAQi_jeg24TPdOwKQsUMwdE

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    • Renee

      Signed. Thank you for letting us know. Not that I’m going back to WP, but I would still like to know what the heck is going on. Their “updates” just keep saying there is no new information. That, to me, is hardly an acceptable update. I hope you get thousands of signatures and I hope it shames Rick Cox into finally responding. Maybe we can finally get some truth as to what they are or are NOT doing. Thanks again for including the link for us.

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      • Angie

        YOu’re very welcome..Please just forward the heck out of the link. Also, it would be nice if patient advocates would sign as well and also help distribute.

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  3. Amy

    UNBELIEVABLE! Nature-throid is out again in Portland OR I have scratched together some and leaving for vacation and I literally do not have enough medication. I feel like a damn hostage to this disease and these crappy manufacturers. I was undiagnosed for years, then finally fought my way back from hypo, my damn hair is finally close to normal and I have to battle for basic medication which I pay for out of pocket of course. Pharmacists blow my mind laughing and telling me “oh flu shots are on back order tooooo”. Really? Its the same?!! What do I do I have to switch manufacturers but when I checked out Acella is was incredibly expensive. I am 3 grains on Naturethroid. i am terrified to switch meds yet again it took me forever to get sorted out and I feel like crying at the thought of having to sort out a new medication, dosage, feeling like garbage losing my hair all over again. please help

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      No, you can get Acella cheaper by using GoodRx or calling around. Everyone has been doing that and getting it at a better price.

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      • Amy

        Thank you Janie, I am just so frustrated this seems an endless problem. 3gain/180mg of NP Acella priced at Costco, Fred Meyers this morning is approx $120/month. That is 3x as much as my Nature throid. What am I missing here? I have to pay cash I am not working with a copay/insurance.

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      • Amy

        180mg/day (90mg b.i.d) NP Thyroid at Costco is the cheapest $68.19/month. Nature-throid was $40. I stuck with Naturethroid but I have had enough of their production issues and claims to the contrary. Fingers crossed I will do ok converting to Acella. Looks like it should convert 1:1 from NT to NP?

        Janie, if not for your work and this website I would be in a world of hurt today 🙂 Thank you!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Yes it should be close to 1:1 i.e. compared to the former Naturethroid. Retesting and possible tweaking always recommended. Also want to be sure that the new Naturethroid didn’t cause adrenal or iron issues. SO GLAD STTM has helped~! Means at lot to hear that.

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          • Amy

            Janie,
            I just came back from filling my new NP and the GoodRx coupon….saved me $121.57!!! I was shocked, I didn’t think it would work to be honest.
            I have spent so much $ these last years out of pocket…..I am in the minority where the new health care laws cost me dearly. I was much better off before. I got sick/hypo first time in my life and the system left me high and dry after paying in my whole life. So its a sore spot for me.
            But I literally think this is my second “win” in the health care battle, the first was finding STTM.
            Big hug from a grateful stranger 🙂 Amy

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            So very glad you saved so much!!! Love it. 🙂 🙂 And thank you for your hug. 🙂 🙂

  4. Peggy

    I switched to NT during the Armour debacle, and experienced such relief. And when NT wasn’t shipping, I had just enough of the old to see me through. Moved to Europe when the new batch arrived, bringing 2 3 month bottles with me…and after 3 months of swelling and weight gain but bearable, now the newest bottle seems to have my heart racing and panic attacks, and nausea. So will be decreasing dose til I find an alternative. Anyone have suggestions for a good substitute in Europe?

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  5. John

    My prescription for NP Thyroid needs a refill, but it is no longer covered for me. I had been on WP Thyroid, but then had to switch to Nature-Throid because of this availability issue. I did very poorly on Nature-Throid, so I switched to NP Thyroid. Now, however, since NP is no longer covered for me, I am refilling my current prescription with Armour, which is what I was first on for years. I’d rather try Armour again than go back to NT. However, what I really have been wanting all this time now is to continue taking WP, but not at higher cost of course, because that was not covered for me either.

    I really wish RLC Labs would be more transparent about exactly what ingredient out of the 3 for WP has been a problem. In all honesty it is hard to believe that there could a problem with any of the 3 ingredients.

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    • John

      P.S. I found on a site that apparently an ingredient in NT may bind up the important thyroid hormone(s), so that may be a main reason or the main reason whey people are doing horribly on Nature-Throid.

      It seems possible that they have also blocked me from being able to comment on their Facebook page relating to WP and NT availability anymore. I tried to comment their the other day and apparently I am blocked from doing that. That’s not a good sign.

      Who believes that any of the only three ingredients can really have a problem in terms of availability? Does anyone believe that?

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      • Angie

        John…what website had the ingredient problem discussed? Am interested in reading up. Thanks!

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    • Janet

      John, mine isn’t covered by insurance but it was reasonable – definitely worth it for the difference in how I feel. I checked GoodRX:
      https://www.goodrx.com/np-thyroid?c=dynamic_search&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Dynamic%20Search&utm_content=Ad-Group_Test&gclid=CjwKCAjwx7DeBRBJEiwA9MeX_J_qK0Je3IG8Nx4Fsqaxa68VRkqXEY8x-QMIId9Adwoq5VnNySYGbhoCuTsQAvD_BwE

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      • John

        Thanks, Janet. I did check that site. My dosage and quantity was going to cost a lot more. I’ve been seeing some comments that maybe Armour is not bad again, so I just figured I would first try Armour again. Like so many I’ve just really been waiting and waiting for WP. I had to pay for WP using a coupon though, so I hope if it comes back it won’t be more expensive and there won’t be any price gouging. I’m really more interested in hearing if people have any idea what is really going on, however, because it’s impossible to believe there could be a shortage of NDT while other meds have it, so that leaves two other ingredients. And it’s hard to believe it for them too:

        Inulin derived from chicory root
        Medium Chain Triglycerides derived from coconut

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  6. Quinn Carey

    I have been on NT the last several years with no complaints. I ended up on this website after just receiving my first batch of the new reformulated NT. Since getting the new NT I have had a variety of symptoms and I am not sure what is going one or what may have been changed? I have experienced tightness and pain in my throat, a tense/soar jaw, increase in grey hair, itching/warm skin (similar to a Niacin flush), heart palps, acne, etc. It is important to note that I am a 30 year old male that had my thyroid removed at 18 years old.

    I can tell if I am now hyper, hypo, or I am just plain allergic to this new crap. I think I may try to switch to NP. I hate that there is now no good products to choose from. I feel as if I am picking from which makes me feel the least crappy, and normal is no longer an option.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Yes, many people are leaving Naturethroid behind now. But there IS a good product to choose from–NP Thyroid. 🙂 It has brought back the “normal” that you refer to in many. Even Armour is working, say some. Just remember that you need to be optimal on any NDT.

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      • John

        I found that NP was just not as good as WP was. If it was, I would just get a coupon and pay for it, but instead I’m going back to Armour for now. As I wrote above, NT was awful for me.

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        • Renee

          Hi John. I used to be a diehard WP fan. I loved it, and I was devastated when RLC abruptly stopped production. Once WP became back ordered, my pharmacy switched me to Nature-throid, and I got sick on it. So, I switched to Acella NP. I will agree with you that NP is not as good as WP was, but NP does work for me. I did have to make some diet and lifestyle changes and I had to add supplements and hormones. It took close to a year after implementing all these changes, along with increasing my dosage of NP several times, but I am healthy again. Using NP took more work on my part, but I’m glad I switched over to it. I will not go back to WP if and when it comes back. I don’t trust RLC that they will stick with their original recipe. I mean, look at what they have done to the new batches of Nature-throid and how many people have gotten ill. I have looked all over the internet trying to find information about RLC and what they are up to, but they seem quite good at keeping things secret. I have contacted RLC a few times, but they have never responded. They have lost me forever as a customer. Any company that would throw all their customers under the bus and leave them to get sick and NOT say anything, is not a good company in my book. I hope Armour works for you! Best of luck to you!

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      • Antoinette D

        I took Nature-Throid from 2010-2017. When it became unavailable in September 2017, my doctor switched me to Armour which was egregiously priced. I had remarkably positive results on Armour. I lost 10lbs over the year. I took it up until this September. I asked my doctor to put me back on Nature since I heard it was available again. I took 2 grains twice per day. Within two weeks, I started feeling cold, lethargic and constipated again. I thought it was due to change in taking 1/2 grain dosage less but still taking 4 grains per day that seemed unlikely. I started to worry so at four weeks, I looked online (here as well!) and saw many people having the same issues.I had my doctor switch me back to Armour last week. I gained 6 pounds back from this issue of my medicine being ineffective . I am starting all over again. Such is life with Hashi’s!!!!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Such is the life of the new Naturethroid, too. It’s extremely messed up when reading all the patient reports. Even those who state they feel fine on the new Naturethroid don’t realize it’s an excess of adrenaline. Thus, they eventually crash.

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          • Meredith

            So I had all my symptoms return when switching to NT from WP. Got my bloodwork done, and was absolutely astonished when it came back as .18!! My TSH has never been that low. Frees are fine but not “optimal”. Have you heard of people having returned symptoms but a plummeting TSH?!

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Do you mean NP? WP isn’t made right now. Honestly, free’s are not fine until they are optimal. But yes, it will always plummet the TSH. Symptoms can return if you stay on non-optimal doses too long.

          • MEREDITH A PARRIS

            More clarification: I switch from WP to Naturethroid in May. I had a stockpile of WP that got me through May, and then ran out and could not find more. Since May, I have felt like crap. I always felt well on WP and my TSH was around 2 consistently. When I went on Naturethroid, I got hyper symptoms, but my TSH plummeted, which makes no sense to me! Free T4 is 1.17 and Free T3 is 3.3. My Free T3 and Free T4 were higher on WP, as was my TSH (around 2). I just am baffled by my extremely low TSH coupled with hypo symptoms.

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Yes, there are weird, weird things going on with Naturethroid. It’s why so many are leaving it behind in the dust and going to NP Thyroid or Armour.

    • Crissy

      I left NT to try NP because too many fillers in NT! I don’t like the dextrose in NP but I am doing ok on it so far TSH is 1.25 t4 is 0.8. Getting my sugar checked next go around cause dextros is sugar. Over all NP is working kidneys are stable now.

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  7. Matt

    I ended up with three years ago after Synthroid stopped working for me, even with Cytomel. I had to do a lot of research and try-and-error myself, because my doctors were just looking at my lab results, rather than my symptoms. NatureThroid worked well for me – within two-three days I felt “normal” again.
    Last year in September I experienced difficulty in having my NatureThroid prescription filled. I managed to catch hold of half-year supply of double-than-prescribed dose and took just half a pill daily. Now again, difficulty filling the prescription. The same pharmacy was able to get me a one-year supply of my regular dose, but it felt different: light-headed four days after switching. I had kept a 20 day supply of the previous batch and switched back. Symptoms disappeared. The formula definitely changed, seems somehow 20% less effective!
    RCL did not respond to my inquiry about NatureThroid batch differences.
    Now I am sitting on 350 pills and am not sure what the actual strength is. Probably cannot return them to the pharmacy.
    I wish I had visited this site prior to ordering.

    I am curious if anybody has tried Thyrovanz from New Zealand or Argentina?
    They are available without prescription for a smilar price.

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  8. Cookie Hale

    I just came across a product from Priority One that says 65mg of dessicate thyroid source from New Zealand. Is that really another substitute for Armour thyroid or NP? What is it? Apparently you can purchase it without a prescription…

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    • Renee

      These products are usually harvested raw bovine or porcine thyroid gland, but have no regulated amount of T4 or T3 in them.

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  9. Janet

    I’m just starting my third week of NP Thyroid after hypothyroid symptoms on the new NatureThroid. My PCP didn’t believe that was the cause of my weight gain, hair loss and higher blood sugar so I found an integrative MD and she was glad to write the new script. It’s exactly the same potency. My hair has stopped falling out, edema in hands and face is gone, and I’ve lost three pounds without changing anything in my diet.

    RLC says the potency since the new manufacturing is meeting the required standards, but if that’s really the case, there is something different about how it’s being utilized. I think it must have to do with the change in raw material suppliers and extraction methods. Obviously our thyroid hormone receptors aren’t recognizing it as the same product.

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  10. Ellen

    I have been on same dose of NatureThroid for 16 years and have had perfect TSH all that time, and most importantly I’ve had good energy and felt great!

    This year everything changed, I have been terribly fatigued. I believe its because NatureThroid was “reformulated”. My TSH in June was 32. Doctor raised my dose of NatureThroid from 130mg to 162.5. Got checked 4 weeks later and my TSH was 38! The increased dose had done nothing! I was trembling with exhaustion, couldn’t sleep deeply, woke in the morning feeling like I’d been hit by a truck, cold intolerant chills. My doctor said she didn’t know how I kept going- I don’t know either, I guess I was running on caffeine.

    So thanks to the information on this website, I switched to NP Thyroid. Doctor had never heard of it and was hesitant to prescribe, plus I had to hunt down a pharmacy who knew what it was and would order it. But I did get some, 120mg and I immediately felt a bit better. Each week after starting NP Thyroid I have felt even better. After 5 weeks on NP Thyroid got my TSH checked and it was back down to .465. YAY!! I LOVE NP Thyroid!! I will never go back to Naturethroid after what I’ve been through this year. Thank you so much STTM for your helpful information- I so appreciate it. Good luck to everyone who is struggling with thyroid issues. Hope you find your answers.

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    • housemaid

      Ellen, I think everybody that is unhappy with the new Nature-throid or pining for the old WP should just forget about RLC Labs and start taking NP thyroid. Like you, I will never go back to RLC Labs products. For many months this year I was taking Acella NP but not doing well at all. However, I can’t digest the cellulose in other pills, so I had no other choice. I was paying $150 for a 3 month supply to an online pharmacy, so I went on GoodRx and found that I could get NP for about 1/3 that price at the local CVS. I did have to wait a couple of days for them to order it and get it delivered. The second day of taking the new pills, I knew something was different. I wake up with a temperature of 98 (instead of 97) and get up to 98.6 in the afternoon. This never happened on WP. My bathtub drain is no longer clogged with my falling hair. My joint and muscle pains got better. Bags under eyes gone. My BP went up (which is good because it was way too low) I can only assume that the NP pills I was getting from the online pharmacy were old stock or perhaps got too hot in shipment. I am loving the NP thyroid now!

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    • Crystal

      Ellen, I wonder if this is why the last 3-4months my hair is falling out in gobs… Oh my gosh, I swear my hair has thinned so much recently. I have been taking Nature-throid for almost 7 years and it has always made me feel better, but not these last 4 months. I am going to look into the NP thyroid. I just had my bloodwork done last week so I will see what my numbers are. I only came to this site because my prescription price has jumped to $10 more a month… ugh…

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      • Lori

        I’m so sorry, but so relieved I’m not loosing my mind. I have had to use NT after WP, and have had many of the same awful symptoms. I’m trying to get my Dr. to switch me to NP I hope it’s better. It is very discouraging, I don’t like being dependent on meds. I’m glad I found these comments. I’ve been on this for about two months and the symptoms are getting worse.

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  11. Tara

    I just switched in May from Synthroid to Nature Throid and my numbers are really high. I was at a 7, and despite increasing the Nature Throid dose I am still at a 6 and that is on 3 grains! I am losing hair by the clump fulls and my skin is getting really dry. I just called and asked to be awitched to NP Thyroid. I am hoping they will do this for me.

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  12. Yvonne Reese

    I have Hashimoto’s and started having SEVERE chronic fatigue earlier this year when I started using the NatureThroid after my strength came off back-order. I’ve been to a new family doctor who doesn’t want to deal with my thyroid as it’s not in his field of expertise. (I get that and respect my doctor.) I have an appointment with a new endocrinologist in a few days and will see what his philosophy is on thyroid meds. My new family doc have me get a T3, T4 and TSH blood test and as others on this page have reported, my TSH was very HIGH, T3 and T4 were normal. HMMM quite a pattern emerging here. I guess it’s time to try Armour again or other meds being discussed here. I am very scared to go on synthetic since I had a bad reaction when I was first diagnosed with Hashimoto’s 12 years ago. I wonder if NatureThroid is on back order again due to so many adverse reactions that I have been reading on different sites across the web. I’m literally and figuratively feeling Alice in Wonderland going down the rabbit hole…things just keep getting curioser and curioser.

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    • Angie

      My compounding pharmacy just called to say “we are unable to source NDT (Natural Dessicated Thyroid) for you anymore, we called your doctor to see what he wants to suggest.”

      If pharmaceutical companies are able to make NP Thyroid and Armour etc., from Natural Dessicated, then why would my compounding pharmacy not be able to source it? I’m confused, and now I don’t know what to do. I took Armour before but they kept changing the formula.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Compounders have always gotten their raw material from a different source than the prescription meds were from. So in the meantime, NP is very available and they have a source that appears to be reliable and good.

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    • Antoinette

      I had the same problem! Armour worked well for me this yeat prior to getting back on Nature. Try it

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  13. Karen

    I am nauseous almost every day since May which seems to coordinate with the new NT formula. Random itching with no rash, zero energy, hair loss…very depressing!

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  14. Elle

    I’m confused by the possible “reformulation” of Nature Throid. I have been on NT for a little over a year and have done well. Suddenly in the past month or two I am gaining weight (about 7-8 pounds on my normally 114 pound frame), digestion as slowed, cholesterol has gone up, etc. I get my NT directly from my Naturopath, rather than a pharmacy, and haven’t had any issues with supply. I have no idea if I am taking the “old” version or the “new”. How can I tell? And if I am still taking the old version, why am I gaining weight suddenly? Diet is exactly the same as before and I am actually exercising more. Help?

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  15. Melissa DeLong

    It took me 3 years to find a doctor to give me NDT, then 2 more years to find out I have Hashimotos without a thyroid, then 2 more years getting my ducks in a row and dose raising. Naturethroid was my “cure” – finally. I’ve been on my optimal dose for 2 years now, bought compounded NDT (very expensive) while Naturethroid was backordered, got my dose back in stock in March and have been spiraling down since. I got my labs today. They’re terrible. I might as well be back on Synthroid. I see my doctor tomorrow. Hopefully she has a suggestion. I’m not even in suppression range for my cancer. It’s like Naturethroid doesn’t work at all now. How could they change something from working to simply not working? Thanks so much for the great information as always. This group is a life saver. We will get through this because we’ve all been through worse!

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  16. Melissa Morrell

    This is so disheartening. I’ve felt amazing on Naturethroid for three years after having the same issue with Armour Thyroid I know have with Naturethroid. The past two months things have gotten progressively worse. Hair falling out, gained 18 pounds, anxiety through the roof, exhausted and lots of brain fog. Has anyone tried synthetic T4 and T3 and had success? I’m scared to try NP thyroid and have the same thing happen in a couple of years. Losing faith in ndt.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Melissa. Don’t be scared. NP Thyroid has been wonderful for most as long as your iron and cortisol are where they should be, and inflammation is not a problem.

      Reply
      • MsH

        Janie, can you clarify what you mean here when you say “and inflammation is not a problem” ?

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Sure can. What we’ve noticed over the years that the first two things that will cause problems when one is on NDT or T3, or when raising, is having a cortisol or iron issue. Low iron will cause rising RT3, the inactive hormone, if on NDT i.e. the T4 starts converting to more and more RT3 . Turns out that inflammation can, too–the second most common cause of rising RT3.

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  17. Noris

    I have been on 2.5 grains of nature throid for over a year. I had reaction to WP. I started taking NP August 25th and stopped Sept. 10 because my blood pressure became very high. I have not call the doctor because he doesn’t know anything about thyroid he was letting me increase as I needed but now he is going by TSH only. I’m in San Antonio and have gone to about 8 doctors and still looking. I have been thyroid hormones for 13 years.

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  18. Renee

    In case anyone missed it….here is the latest “update” from RLC labs. *sigh*

    “September 10, 2018

    There is no new information at this time. Please check back soon for updates on the availability of Nature-Throid and WP Thyroid.”

    At this point, I have lost all faith in them.
    I have had a standing order with my pharmacy that was put in last year from my doctor. It says that I am supposed to take WP only. Well, of course the pharmacy has been unable to comply, but they tell me all the time that they check with their distributor daily to see if WP is back. As of today, I am having that order removed from my file. I will not go back to WP. I am on Acella NP now and feeling well. Bye Bye RLC.

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  19. Lori Sweat

    I’m an MD in KY on NT myself (no thyroid s/p ablation for Grave’s) and on the new formulation of NT (no change in dose or dosing habits) my TSH has gone from 0.8 to 13.7 in 10 weeks. I’m hugely disappointed and just contacted RLC via their website. I have hundreds of patients on NT, and recently have seen some erratic levels in a few patients that can’t be explained (TSHs of up to >20). Get your levels checked if you are on NT. I’ll be switching to NP myself and hoping for the best. I’m not going to be able to trust RLC labs again I’m afraid. This has been a huge debacle.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Dr. Sweat. It’s a good thing for patients that even a medical professional like yourself has found out personally what’s going on with Naturethroid. Also particularly awful is RLC’s complete failure to even acknowledge something is seriously wrong. Of course, one could understand the predicament RLC is in, admitting the problem. But at the same time, ALL that has gone on the past year with RLC labs and the loss of both WP and Naturethroid has been disappointing for patients and RLC has lost a lot of respect from thyroid patients.

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  20. Marco

    Hello
    Since several years I am on Nature Throid. I am taking 2 Grains, plus 80 Euthyrox. My lab tests were always the same: TSH 0%, ft4 about 60-80%, ft3 about 90-130%. When I got the new formulated Nature Throid tablets, I was suspicious that something is wrong. I remember Armour doing the same thing a few years back, that’s why I switched to Nature. So I changed only 1 grain to new Nature, and 1 grain old nature. Lately I felt rather strange, tired, and so on. Today I got my lab tests, TSH 3.7 (72%), ft4 50%, ft3 40%…WTH? So whatever they say, whatever they write, the new Nature is definitely not working/less working. It feels different, they look different, they smell different, and the lab tests don’t lie. I am wondering, if they can’t even determine the strength of their tablets, which are obviously different now, something that should be absolutely key for a company like RLC, is this really a reliable company? A company I should trust with regards to my health? Come on, this is so disappointing.

    I still have old Nature, and will order NP now. Did anybody switch to NP, is it more or less 1:1 to old Nature?

    Many thanks
    marco

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    • Brad

      Marco,
      I had been on 2 grains of WP Thyroid for years and stable, luckily I had a stock of WP that got me into 2018. I switched to NT when it became available in February, had LOTS of problems and was up to 3 grains before I gave up on NT. Even though my blood work looked “good” I felt horrible.
      In mid July I had my Doctor switch me to NP Thyroid. I started at 2 grains on NP to match what I had been on with WP and my blood work done end of August is comparable to what I had with 2 grains of WP Thyroid last year. I feel like the ratio of T3/T4 might be slightly different between RLC WP/NT and NP Thyroid, but after a few weeks my body adjusted, it’s certainly MUCH better then it was when I was on NT for 3-4 months.

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      • Marco

        Hi Brad,
        Thank you for your reply. I have ordered some NP now and will finish my old Nature Throid before switching. Once I do, I will try to take the same dosage as with NT, i.e. 2 Grains. We will see. Hopefully this doesn’t repeat itself in a few months/years with NP. Have seen it with Armour, now with NT….BTW they reformulated synthetic T4 Euthyrox as well, started in France, and after people having lots of problems Merck had to remanufacture the old Euthyrox….I heard that they will roll-out the new Euthyrox in whole Europe.

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  21. Janet

    I found a small number of Nature-Throid tablets I’d set aside for a trip before the formulation. My doctor won’t let me try NP until we retest my hormones in another few weeks (he doesn’t think it’s the reformulation that’s the problem). My hands have been so swollen I can’t get my wedding ring off, I have puffy bags under my eyes and my fasting blood sugar is up to 20 points higher even though I don’t have diabetes.

    After taking the old formulation for two days all the symptoms disappeared…no swelling, blood sugar normal, etc. I’m a little concerned about the mineral oil in NP since I’m very allergic to any petroleum products, but it’s usually on the surface to release from the mold easier, so maybe I can rinse or scrape it off.

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  22. Sandie

    Thank you Janie for all this support, news and guidance. After 58 years of untreated thyroid issues I was FINALLY stable and feeling so good! My decade+ untreated Lyme was finally treated in February and March of this year. My body is recovering from years literally of untreated chronic conditions and I was stable for the first time in my life. Then NatureThroid change — in May I started with palpitations that were slight…in June they became persistent…in July the palpitations became really odd and now in August I was done — sitting with a HR of 65 and then for 4 minutes it shot to 166 and stayed there for 4 minutes. :-O I had decreased my NatureThroid thinking I was getting too much. Process of elimination of adjusting every hormone and seeing good blood work in July I checked this website and see the issues. I didn’t take NatureThroid today and for the first time since May I don’t feel my heart. I feel normal. I know in a few days I will become Hypo so my Dr is calling in a new prescription for NP Thyroid (again THANKS to this website). Thank you so much!! I felt like my heart was going to explode and the only thing causing this was the “new” version of NatureThroid. The only other weird symptom I had was some itching. RLC needs to fess up what they changed….bodies don’t lie.

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    • Quinn C

      Wow! I am so glad I found this site. I too am having the same exact symptoms! I have had a racing heart and my skin itches as if I took niacin! It is strange because people are reporting they are hypo after the reformulation, however, my symptoms seem to bee more hyper. I also have a drastic increase in grey hair (I am a male and I am only 30, my throat aches as if I have an illness, and my jaw is very tight.

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    • Gigi

      Me too….I’ve had heart palpitations almost constantly for many months. Due to Lyme disease I’m on multiple meds and herbs so I had no idea what was causing heart palps to this degree of severity. It dawned on me that they started about the time I started taking the newer formulation of naturethroid! I’ve been off it a day and I am hoping this is the cause. I too had what I thought were symptoms of too much but perhaps it is adrenaline rushes as I have adrenal insufficiency as well. My heart feels a bit more calm so let’s hooe this is the answer. Scary stuff!

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  23. chris

    I have been on NatureThroid for the past 9+ years. My TSH has never been above a high 3 but an average of around 2 over this almost a decade.

    In February of this year it was 2.3. Last week (August 24th) it was 9.13. Obviously something is wrong with their reformulation. I will hopefully be switching to Armour.

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    • Cindy

      Be aware that many of us switched from Armour to Naturethroid because of this exact same issue–Armour also changed their formula and significantly increased the cost of their medication for research. I used to love Armour, and it worked great for me until they changed it. I have noticed the last couple months that my Naturethroid tablets are harder. Just this week I started to chew them up (assuming it was too hard for my body to break down easily). It has helped a little, but I think they definitely changed something and not for the better.

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    • Andy

      Been on the new Nature Thyroid for about 2 months now (switched back to Armour when they quit producing, which I don’t think works much better) . Was doing great on it for about 2 years, now totally hypo at this stage. Tossed that prescription and started with the Armour again. Still don’t feel good. What no one is saying is WHO these companies are buying their NDT from…..maybe, that’s the issue, as they all say they have not reformulated! See my Doc next week and will discuss, NP or just maybe go back on Erfa. (Universal Drug out of Canada currently has it in stock) Good luck to all….will keep reading to find out if anyone comes up with one that works.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        To the contrary, who they are buying from has been mentioned and questioned before. Looks like they are going to have to be more selective. Luckily, NP Thyroid is apparently coming from a reliable source.

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        • Amy Campbell

          Finally found a doc who will prescribe westthroid, he is scared to prescribe the 195/3 gr I was previously taking but 130 is a start. The pharmacist then tells me she can give me Nature throid in one tablet because she only has the westthroid in 32.5 tablets. I said NO, she replied they’re exactly the same?? What?? She said Westthroid is the generic of NT, I am so lost now. Then she offered me Armour but I said no I will stick with Westthroid…. of the 3 which do you feel is the best? I am genuinely confused but I trust the info here. I am NOT happy with NT, at all and never want to take it again. Also, Dr is going to look into the NP and consider prescribing it for me in the future. Advice? This conflicting info is unsettling to say the least.

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            If it’s the Westhroid made before RLC stopped producing NDT, it maybe be fine. Otherwise, NP Thyroid is working great for people. Even Armour is working it appears.

          • Cindy

            I’m curious as you’re the first one that has mentioned Westhroid (not to be confused with WP). One pharmacy gave me that as a substitute, and I appeared to do fine on it. However, when I requested it again, they didn’t have it. It’s somewhat difficult to find out much information about it also. On RLC’s site, they said the formulation was exactly the same as Naturethroid. I contacted them to see if it was still in production, since you can’t find much information about it on their website. This was their response, “It is quite possible that pharmacies still have stock in Westhroid and WP Thyrid even though we have not started manufacturing them again yet.
            I have attached a letter stating Nature-Throid and Westhroid are identical. WP Thyroid is a different formula from the other two and is in fact as you stated, the one that we only add two inactive ingredients to. We have not started making that again as of yet either.” Why did they make 2 identical medications??? Regardless, it doesn’t appear that will be available either (if ever again), as I’m sure they changed it also.

  24. Charissa

    I’ve been happily on 3 grains of Nature Throid for about 10 years. When the shortage came, I was prescribed NP, but found that I’m very allergic to it- I get awful itchy hives (I had to take NP once a few years ago, I can’t remember why, and the same thing happened). I found half grain Nature Throid, which I’ve been taking, but because of the increase in price of taking 6 half grain pills, I changed back to 1 gr. Nature Throid as soon as it was in stock. I began taking it 3 days ago. I had been getting more weary during the day before switching, but now I’ve become alarmingly tired and I’m swelling up (during a time of month I should be the opposite). Today it finally occurred to me to see if there was a reformulation, like Armour, and found this page. I’m not sure what to do now… I could go back to the half grain- but I believe it may now be new formulation too.

    Are there any other good options? I hate missing out on my family because I’m so tired and foggy. The other day, my three year old wanted me to play mid-day and I literally couldn’t keep my eyes open!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      That’s too bad about your allergic response to something in NP Thyroid. Must be one of the fillers. You could still try Armour. Or compounded.

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  25. Michael

    I know that the new Nature-Throid has already been confirmed weaker/ineffective, but just to provide some numbers for those still searching for a reason to switch or at least increase their dose…

    In 2017, I was on 3 grains of the “old” Nature-Throid, and my Free T3 was consistently in the 4.3-4.5 pg/mL range at every test (borderline high but feeling well). The Free T3 Lab Range is 2.0-4.4 pg/mL. My Free T4 was around 1.2 ng/dL, with a lab range of 0.8-1.7 ng/dL, which is ideal mid-range. My TSH was .007-.020, which is low but expected & normal when dosed properly with NDT.

    In July 2018, I was still on 3 grains, but taking the “new” Nature-Throid, and my Free T3 had fallen to 2.7 pg/mL! My Free T4 had fallen below the lab range to 0.67 ng/dL. My TSH had gone up to 3.470. Hypothyroid symptoms had already returned of course.

    Obviously, something has changed! I found some old NT 3 grain pills that I still had from last year, and started feeling awesome again. But, it was only a months’ worth so I ran out. I have just switched to NP Thyroid, and will see how this goes. So far, so good on NP.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Very glad to see you gave those precise differences while on the same amount. We also have someone who went up to 7 1/2 grains of the new Naturethroid in her attempt to regain her previous feel-goods. It didn’t work.

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      • Dawn Beebe

        I’m so happy to have found this recently…..THANK YOU!!! I thought I was losing my mind. I was diagnosed with hashimoto’s thyroiditis when I was 7 yo, I am now 44 yo, so I’ve been dealing with the symptoms my entire life. I’ve had a lot of stress in my life over the past 6 months and thought that was the problem… gaining weight and incredible fatigue, etc. When I first started on WP thyroid, my Free T3 was 3.8 on 3 grains ( 12/2016), then it dropped to 3.2, 3 months later on the same dosage. Then, down to 2.8, 6 months later. After that, I switched to Nature throid, because WP wasn’t available, and increased to 3.5 grains, with no changes in my free T3 ( still 2.8). For the past 6 months, I’ve been on 4 grains of Nature throid and I just had my levels checked last week… my Free T3 is down to 1.8, and my Free T4 is down to 0.66. My TSH is still suppressed at 0.24, it’s usually much lower. My provider “doesn’t think the medication is the problem”. Is blaming these changes on my liver, gut, and adrenals ( which I know play a role, but…) She did, however, prescribe NP thyroid for me today, so I’m hoping and praying I can feel the difference quickly. It’s so hard when you’re hypo, because you literally feel like you’re losing your mind. The exhaustion is unbearable! I reported the problem to RLC Labs ( which I think will do me no good), but also reported the problem to the FDA med watch. Has anyone else done so?? I think it may be helpful to at least bring the problem to the attention of as many people as possible. There may be many people, like myself, who are suffering and can’t figure out why.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          P.S. you could be causing problems reporting this to the FDA, as NDT is not an approved drug (which is ridiculous). Instead, people need to send a strong message to RLC only. Some say they are doing by not getting it anymore.

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        • housemaid

          I agree with Janie. Do not report anything to the FDA about dessicated thyroid. The FDA is not your friend. I think they would like to get rid of everything but Synthroid.

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    • Susanne B

      Although I don’t take as a high a dosage as you do, I’m having the same issue where my FT4 is tanking. I’ve increased my dosage by 50% (or, should I say, my Dr has increased it) which makes my TSH go down just a tad, but it’s been fine overall, it’s my FT4 that is awful. 25 lb weight gain, puffy and sore. This sucks.

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      • Dawn Beebe

        Yes… I have pillows under my eyes! My whole face, hands, legs feel tight and swollen. Tons of muscle pain. pound weight gain over past 6 months even though I eat no grains, sugar, dairy, corn, soy, and all organic. Plus, I workout every day. It’s so very frustrating! PLUS…I recently lost my insurance so I’m paying out of pocket for Nature Throid and had a 6 month supply filled in June, to hold me over until I get situated. I’d really like RLC to test the pills and prove that they are indeed what they are labeled.

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        • MEREDITH A PARRIS

          Dawn,

          Are you doing better since the switch? I am switching to NP this week.

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    • Karen Hetzer

      Yes! Good to see actual numbers to prove the point. I’m also going to have my numbers checked because of how I’ve been feeling. Between the back order and finally getting the ‘new’ Nature-throid (two refills ago) I’m feeling awful, no energy, hair falling out again. I’m really hesitant to try another natural product and am considering going back to a synthetic, I just feel there would be less of a consistency issue.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Karen, NP Thyroid by Acella continues to be an excellent NDT and without consistency issues, if that helps.

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        • Jeanne K

          I actually have felt good on NP Thyroid since my dose of Nature-throid is lagging in availability. Maybe even better. The only problem is I need to take a 60 mg and a 15 mg tab. Now get this: My insurance will cover the 60 mg tab but not the 15mg.
          From the horse’s mouth, the FDA has not “approved” the 15 mg dose, although all of the other dosages are approved. Crazy, but true. So I pay a lot for the added 15 mg tab, which seems ridiculous, but there you are.

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          • Cyndy

            Could you ask your dr to write your prescription for your dose in 30 mg tablets and take 2.5 tablets? Maybe this way your insurance would cover it. Sometimes we have to get creative with the rx to get the dose we need and the insurance to cover it. I am in a similar situation and this solved my problem and only one copay too. Just a thought.

        • Cindy

          I want to switch to NP. I’m only hoping they dont stop production and change the formula like Armour and Naturethroid did! I’m starting to think the medical community has it out for us (we already know a lot of them don’t like NDT).

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  26. Minerva Daniels

    I have been so sick since raw materials were no longer available to compound my WP Thyroid. I can not take Naturethroid or any order ones because my labs go all over the place, headaches,fatigue and brain fog. I’m hoping WP Thyroid comes back soon. Please expedite the process!

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  27. Lisa M

    I was so (sadly) relieved to see your comments, in red, at the beginning of this article, Janie. l was starting to feel absolutely crazy with the new release. I’d been in complete remission from Hoshi’s when Nature Throid went unavailable last year, I was switched to NP, which I was told by the pharmacist was exactly the same. I knew almost immediately was not the same. By the time I was able to get back on Nature Throid I was completely out of remission. Since being back on it, nothing has changed except for my weight continuing to climb & losing hair by the hands full. I want the Nature Throid I was originally prescribed & taking. I’m feeling so angry and hopeless again, I just want to feel good again. I spent almost 30 years trying to get an answer, with many false diagnoses along the way, when I was finally diagnosed properly. For 2 years I had my life back and know what that feels like, I want it back again.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      I’m so sorry you’ve had to go through this because of what happened with Naturethroid. 🙁 🙁 It’s frustrating, isn’t it. By the way, NP Thyroid is really an excellent product, and they still get their powder from a North American source. Is is possible you just needed to tweak it? i.e. raise it a bit until free’s were back to optimal?

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  28. Susan

    I was fine with nature thyroid for 4 months, until August. I have been in slow decline fore 3 weeks. I reached a point of not being able to move. I went to the doctor who took blood test. My TSH came back 104. He called me in saying he was surprised that I could even move. He put me on a double dose of synthroid with cytomel. Within 2 days, I started noticing some improvement. I think my August prescription of nature thyroid was not working. Was there a recall during this time for Nature thyroid?

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  29. housemaid

    Just checked the RLC Labs website today and on Aug. 20 they put out another update saying there is no new information and check back soon. This is getting old. I have just about given up on WP. If they ever do start making it again, I doubt it will be as good as it used to be since the new Nature-throid isn’t working. I will buy WP again when it becomes available, but only if people say it is working for them. I don’t trust RLC Labs any more. Meanwhile I am getting by on NP, though not optimal.

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  30. Lori

    I too was on Nature Throid for years and felt great and had to switch to something else when it wasn’t available. After RLC started production again I switched back to Nature Throid and my TSH is out of this world. I am still waiting on my Reverse T3 result but my TSH is 85+, my FT3 is 2.08 and my FT4 is .34. Interesting as well is my Total cholesterol has shot up to 271 with an LDL of 191. Have read that hypothyroidism will cause LDL to increase. I am between doctors and will visit a new one next week. This is definitely not the same Nature Throid formula as before.

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    • Karen G

      I ran across this recall notice today online. Could this be at the bottom of all the confusion about NT lately?? I called my pharmacy and they are checking it out. RLC makes NT, but do they get the raw materials from CHINA through Westminster pharamceuticals mentioned in the recall?? Read the two links for more info. https://www.fda.gov/Safety/Recalls/ucm616601.htm
      https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/thyroid-medications-recalled-due-to-risk-of-impurities/ar-BBLYS33?ocid=spartandhp

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        STTM has already posted about this recall here: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/2018/08/13/drug-recall/

        We don’t know the facts right now, but it is curious that since Westminster was using a chinese source of porcine powder, perhaps RLC is too, and got a major dud. But again, we do NOT know the full story. All we know is that Naturethroid is definitely not what it used to be, and RLC is failing to address it to once loyal customers…thus they are losing customers.

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      • housemaid

        I don’t know for sure where RLC Lab is getting their porcine dessicated thyroid powder, but on their website I found this statement: “Our strict quality standards apply to every part of our operation–from our guaranteed hormone levels to our materials and manufacturing–which is why we carefully source our thyroid from the U.S. and Canada only and are in production solely in the continental U.S. We do not, nor have we ever, sourced thyroid from China or manufactured outside of the continental U.S.” So if they are telling the truth, they didn’t buy powder from China. Or maybe they need to update their website!

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  31. Bob

    Any amount of any kind of thyroid meds makes me feel terrible, consequently I take les and less. Vitamin D has helped in the past but that makes my thigh muscles burn with the fire of a thousand suns.

    A couple of weeks ago I took a 175mcg Levothyroxine by accident and I was pretty much paralyzed for 80 hours. A few weeks before that I took 3/5ths of my dose of Nature Thyroid ( a 65 mg and a half ) and I went to the emergency room I felt so bad.

    It all seems to be poison to me

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Bob, it sounds like you now have a cortisol and/or iron problem, which NDT will reveal. See #2 on this page: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me

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      • Bob

        I had the 4 point saliva test done
        CORTISOL, SALIVA SAMPLE 1
        (mcg/dL) 0.69

        8-10 AM: 0.04-0.56 mcg/dL

        CORTISOL, SALIVA SAMPLE 2
        (mcg/dL) 0.19

        noon-2 PM: < OR = 0.21 mcg/dL

        CORTISOL, SALIVA SAMPLE 3
        (mcg/dL) 0.13

        4-6 PM: < OR = 0.15 mcg/dL

        CORTISOL, SALIVA SAMPLE 4
        (mcg/dL) 0.03

        10 PM-1 AM: < OR = 0.09 mcg/dL

        Iron was 116 (Range 50-180)

        Seriously… I have tried to raise my med intake Lots of times but every time I do I get deathly ill and sleep for 18 hours.

        I am getting myxedemic (if that is a word) and two trips to the emergency room did no good at all. They both… (different e rooms) said "yeah we don't do that stuff"

        The only time I feel better is like two day off meds….

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Compare your saliva results to this page–you’ll see your problem there: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values Same with your iron result. BUT….the lab you used has those ridiculous “less than” kind of goals, which is why we use ZRT, like this one: https://sttm.mymedlab.com/sttm-profiles/zrt-saliva-adrenal-4-sample–2 The latter gives the needed ranges. See if you can figure something out based on the info on the first
          page.

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          • Bob

            Thanks for the reply.

            It seems crazy to me that just about every test I have got wasn’t the right one.

            This and other forums told me that the saliva test was the way to go but when I posted the numbers they said “ohhh nooo you need this other test…” Or no… “that is not what you want.”

            I FINALLY got this test from a business that claimed to be a STTM favorite and now you tell me it is ridiculous?

            ????????

            https://www.ultalabtests.com/Quest

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Bob, it seems like 50% of what we are forced to do here or on the STTM facebook page is correct info given by other forums. You see, STTM is near totally about years of patient experiences and wisdom gained from now 16 years of those experiences…towards success. Other forums are not. They give opinions that don’t at all fit years of solid experiences and wisdom. Of course, anyone is free to follow those opinions, but we’ve been doing this long enough to know a lot of those opinions or recommendations don’t lead to the same success…at ALL.

            It’s not that recommending a saliva test is wrong. Good for those forums that did. But the problem is the one you chose, which has those ridiculous “less than” goals. A lot of facilities that sell saliva testing are moving to that and they do NOT understand how wrong it is. Instead, the one I posted to you does NOT do that, thankfully, thus a good reason it’s on the STTM Recommended Labwork page via My Med Lab.

            STTM loves Ulta!!!! They are on the Recommended Labwork page. But you will not see a saliva test in the STTM recommended lab area because sadly, they have a saliva test with those less than goals and don’t seem to understand how bad that is. I’ve tried to get them to provide a different saliva for the STTM area, and it has never been done. 🙁 But for the rest of their labs on the STTM recommended area, Ulta has done a great job!

            It looks like you are high, good, high, and slightly high at bedtime. But it’s a guess with those less than goals.

            Also, you did do a right iron test!! But three more are always needed to get a full picture i.e. TIBC, % saturation and Ferritin. Or the % sat it can be obtained by dividing the iron by the TIBC.

            If you want to get the right info plus a one on one, here is info on doing coaching calls: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/coaching-call

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            I should have added that I see the Facebook page called Adrenal Fatigue and Thyroid Care giving far better information based on patient experiences. And the owners have great integrity.

  32. Renee

    Latest update from RLC labs…..
    “August 14, 2018

    There is no new information at this time. Please check back soon for updates on the availability of Nature-Throid and WP Thyroid.”

    The more they make that statement (I think it’s the third time now?), the more it just confirms to me that I have made the right decision to stay with Acella NP and never look back. I’m so over them. Ugh.

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    • Dawn

      I, too, have come to the same conclusion about RLC/Nature-throid. I am also over them. I spent months calling different pharmacies each month to track down 10 or 20 pills at a time of Nature-throid as I didn’t want to disrupt what was working. Then 1 grain tablets were being produced, and for two 90 day fills I was able to get my script without issue (but I was having to take 2.5 tablets daily). This month, I cannot find any pharmacy that has it in stock. I am done and do not see myself ever returning. I am trying NP Thyroid by Acella as it costs 6x LESS than Armour. I am hoping it works. Thus far, 4 days in, I am having episodes of being very cold. Hoping this rights itself out (or perhaps I need a slight tweak to my RX).

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  33. Erica

    I have been taking nature thyroid for about 5 years.I just got my recent lab results and my naturopath said they are the worst in 5 years. She said she saw the same thing in 8 other patients. I am switching to Armor. This is 100% not ok.

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    • Michelle

      Hmmm. I had the same issue. I’ve been on 3 grains of Naturethroid for about 9.5 years. I’ve been most comfortable when my TSH is below 2.0. I recently went in to have labs again and it was close to 6. No wonder I’ve been depressed, gaining weight, have super dry skin despite all the creams and lotions I’m using, etc. The doctor suggested I increase dose to 4 grains. I guess we’ll see how I feel in about 2-3 weeks.

      Are you feeling ok on the Armour? (My pharmacist offered to fill my script with it when the NatureThroid wasn’t in stock yet….)

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    • daniela

      i had the same issue! i thought it was only me. Is there a way to submit a complaint to the FDA? they should not be able to sell their product if it’s no longer working…they’re making our lives a living hell 🙁

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Daniela, that would be treading on bad grounds. NDT is not an FDA approved product (which is ridiculous), so complaining only draws the FDA to that fact. Instead, you make your point by not buying the product.

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        • Daniela

          wow, that’s scary. so they’re not regulated? I guess they’re like supplement companies?

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            No, there is always some regulation. And even desiccated thyroid powder usually meets the guidelines of the US Pharmacopeia.

    • Erica

      Sooo…I switched to Armour about 2 weeks ago. My weight is going back to normal (I am already GF, dairy free, sugar free, etc and petite and NT was making me gain weight all of a sudden). My hair has stopped falling out. Feeling decent. I have hashimotos. I am sure that something is not right with NT. If i had the time, I’d contact the FDA.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        The worse thing any can do is contact the FDA. NDT is an unapproved drug, and we just don’t want to draw attention from the FDA to any NDT for that reason. Glad you are doing better!!

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  34. Janet

    I had stockpiled some Nature-Throid when the shortage started so I just started my first bottle from after the manufacturing changes.last month. My health declined rapidly – weight gain,higher fasting blood glucose, hair loss, dry skin, heart palpitations, throat swelling, etc . I think because it’s been so hot I didn’t notice my body temperature dropping. After having swollen hands and puffy eyes for several days I asked for testing. Everything was great (vitamin D, iron parameters, etc) except my TSH had gone up 5X and FT4 was very low. FT3 was okay but I had just taken a dose before my blood draw.

    I know there has been a lot of speculation about the difference, but I feel certain it’s their raw supplier changes that is the cause. They have to test for potency and keep that constant, but there may be a difference in how the dessicated thyroid is actually utilized based on how it was processed. I noticed the same ether-type smell and much stronger “piggy” taste with this new bottle just like I did when Armour was reformulated. I asked them if there was any way I could find out which lot numbers were US sourced from their old supplier and which were new, but they said no. I would gladly pay double to be sure I’m getting the old source.

    I guess I’ll be trying NP next…kind of sad because I’ve been so stable on Nature-Throid for over 15 years. I know from past experience that just increasing the dose isn’t the answer.

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    • Renee

      Hi Janet,
      If you are the same Janet that asked me about raising dosage when going onto Acella NP, I answered you below. I have been on NP for about 9 months now I guess. It took a lot of fiddling around with the dosage and blood work every three months or so (depending on how I was feeling), but I am now doing well on NP with my T3 and T4 where Janie says it should be. I will not be switching back to WP (if it even ever comes back) because of all the horror stories I’ve been reading about Nature-throid. I felt rather victimized by RLC by what they did last September and then again by their virtual lack of communication with the public. A lot of people got ill when they abruptly stopped production, and now people are STILL getting sick with their “new” Nature-throid. I loved WP. Swore by it. Felt great on it. But, now I don’t trust RLC anymore. I will not put my health in their hands again. NP works well. It just took me some time and making some other changes in my life, but I’m good now. I’m gonna stay where I am.

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      • Janet

        Thanks, Renee. That must have been another Janet, but I appreciate the information. I only take 1 1/2 grains a day…I really feel for people who rely on it completely for thyroid function. It has totally disrupted my life.

        Many years ago I had an incident with RLC where a certain lot number gave me killer headaches every time I took a dose. At first I thought it was something else causing the headaches. Then one day I skipped my dose and had no headache. It was hard to believe it was the thyroid causing it, so my husband who was using Armour instead took a dose and got a severe headache, and my doctor even tried it and the same thing happened. I went back and forth with them about contamination and what it could be. They just said that their raw materials came with a certificate saying it was tested for purity but wouldn’t do a lab test to verify. I switched to ERFA for a while but became hypothyroid on that, so went back to Nature-Throid and fortunately didn’t have any other issues until now.

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  35. Davina

    Was beginning to finally see results (less hypo symptoms) early 2017 with WP Thyroid, then production halted. Dr. switched me on Nature Thyroid. Since then, I have gone from 1 grain NT to 3 grains, and have been complaining to semi-deaf doctor ears all the while. New lab results came back last week, and Dr. wants to up to 4 grains of NT or asked if I wanted to change meds. Finally!!! The MADNESS MUST STOP!

    My results are all at the bottom of the range for TSH, Ft3, Ft4 & Rt3. Going to ask to be put on NPT by Acella in hopes of finding something that will alleviate my symptoms.

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  36. LIsa

    I am finding this fascinating. My hair has started shedding again after having stabilized for a long while. Is the new NatureThroid the cause? I googled “was NatureThroid recently reformulated” and found this page. I restarted Nature Throid about 3 months ago after a period of about 6-7 months on NP Throid when Nature Throid went out of stock. Previously I had done well on NatureThroid. However, on NP Throid, my last bottle smelled fishy and I found less than happy comments about it online so I found out that NatureThroid was back and asked for it again, albeit at a higher dose. My dosage went like this: ~22.5 mg Nature Throid originally to 30 mg NP Throid to now 32 mg Nature Throid. Other than my hair and some slight fatigue, I don’t have drastic symptoms but the hair thing will light me up because it’s devastating! I’m currently waiting for lab results and will report back but does anyone else have the hair issues I am experiencing on the new NatureThroid? And any recommendations? THANK YOU ALL.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Lisa. NP can smell odd because it doesn’t have the coating to disguise the pig. It’s fine. And the bad reviews are based on people who stay on too low a dose (which can cause hypo to return, so they wrongly blame NP) or those who are raising in the presence of low iron or a cortisol problem, which can cause problems (so they wrongly blame the NP).

      So, recommendations are to keep raising and see if you can find an optimal dose (some have been unable to find it on Naturethroid) or go back to NP, which is actually a fine product. And always be optimal, not just on, any NDT. Optimal puts the free T3 towards the top part of the range and the free T4 midrange. Both.

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      • Lisa

        Thank you, Janie. I may go back to NP Throid then. The hair issue is so devastating. I should get my lab work back end of this week – all the thyroid measures and iron tests. I doubt they tested for cortisol though! Thank you again. I just want my hair to grow back!

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  37. IGS

    Had a total thyroidectomy in 2004. Tried all the standard meds. and seemed actually allergic with a variety of untenable reactions. Have been on Nature throid since 2005.
    Recently my blood pressure shot up to the VERY HIGH range so was off to my Endo. He ran tests and determined my TSH has gone from .271 (2017)to 4.29. Something has changed.
    and its not me. He upped by thyroid meds and it has helped somewhat but not enough. I do believe that the new batch of Nature throid is definitely diluted and I will need to add more if
    I stay on this med.

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    • Terry Sharkey

      I noticed issues with Nature Throid as well. In April my TSH was .01 and in July it was 9.94. My ft3 and ft4 were low in April but hit the bottom of the range in July. My dr put me on LDN first but after a couple of weeks of research and finding people posting their problems I asked her to change me to NP Thyroid instead. I’m still working up on the LDN and know that I have to monitor my symptoms and adjust my dosing accordingly.

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    • Tina Isaly

      My labs were with optimal ranges for over a year and I felt good prior to the changes in manufacturing NatureThroid. My TSH has gone up at last 2 blood draws as well as other ranges no longer optimal. My dosage was increased two weeks ago and I’m feeling worse instead of better….fatigued, horrible brain fog and noe anxiety (for no reason) is creeping back in. I almost feel as bad as I did on Synthroid. My dosage was increased only .25 mg. I think I will be switching to NP. I have another condition that relies heavily of hormone being stable. I can’t keep playing with dosages and hoping to find one high enough.

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  38. David Everest

    I have a question. Does the new formulation of NatureThroid (that is, since they went back into production) look any different that the old stuff?

    I found what is most likely an old bottle of the NatureThroid, since it is from October of 2017. But I want to be sure. I called RLC labs and they said it probably is the old stuff, but they are not totally sure. So if the new formulation looks different that the old formulation, that would be helpful to know.

    Thanks!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Yes, it can have small darker specks in the tablet–the new Naturethroid.

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      • David Everest

        Thank you so much, Janie. That is exactly how I would describe the difference between what I know is the new stuff, and what I was hoping was the old stuff.

        I found an old bottle of ¾ grain NatureThroid (dated October of 2017)… and looking under a magnifying glass, they were all uniform in color. But ½ grain ones that I got recently (and I know are the new formulation) were all “speckled”… that is exactly how I described them too. The difference is very clear.

        But I called RLC labs and they insisted that the speckling was just the natural variation of the product – that some of the old formulation was speckled too. And they tried to pass this difference off as possibly just being a difference between how the ¾ grain tablets and the ½ grain tablets look (and I don’t have any current ¾ grain tablets to compare the old ¾ grain tablets with).

        So I am a little confused by this… but maybe they just said all this so I would believe that there was no difference between the current formulation and stuff from a year ago. They did insist that this was the case.

        I am told that they didn’t start manufacturing the new formulation until October of 2017 – right around the date of the old bottle I found. But my understanding is that not all the strengths were available at that time. Do you happen to know specifically when the ¾ grain strength became available in the new formulation? If this wasn’t until AFTER October, then that would just confirm that I do indeed have the old formulation.

        Thank you!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          No, I sure don’t know when the 3/4 grain became available. The former Naturethroid had VERY few specks. The new one apparently has more obvious specks.

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          • David Everest

            OK, thanks for your input; I appreciate it. It sounds like I have found a “cache” of the old NatureThroid formulation from all the information I have on this — enough for 4 more months. So today is a good day for me 🙂

    • Marcus

      I have experienced the same…. I got 2 bottles with 100 tabs 1/2 grain and 1 bottle with 1000 tabs also 1/2 grain. And the tabs all look darker and have tiny brown spots. They smell different too than the old ones. The old tabs looked all similar and not dark…
      After reading all your posts here I’m getting anxious about how I’ll feel im a few days :((

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  39. Dr Neville Wilson

    I have found these comments very interesting and helpful, and the many complaints cited regarding low efficacy for Naturethroid are confirmation of my recent experiences with my Hypothyroid patients, some of whom have reported a return to symptoms which were initially resolved when given Naturethroid. I have been prescribing Naturethroid for many years with great success, having discontinued my previous support for Armour following dissatisfaction, and am now considering prescribing NP Throid instead of Naturethroid. I will review the responses to NP Throid, and can only hope that RLC labs resolve their apparent shortcomings in the interest of patient wellness. Dr. Neville Wilson, IRELAND.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      It is refreshing to see a doctor who listens to his patients–we’re glad you posted, Dr. Neville Wilson in Ireland. And reports about NP Thyroid from patients has been excellent. Also still important to have optimal iron and cortisol to raise any NDT without problems. http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/iron-and-cortisol

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      • Jen

        I’m researching the possible change in formula for nature throid. I was not notified of any change but am experiencing many symptoms of hypothyroidism again which had been under control for years! I’ve been taking nature throid for years with great success but my lab results indicate a HUGE change. My results in February 2018 were normal and my labs in July 2018 indicate I’m not taking any thyroid medicine (which I am). Levels went from 0.3 to 29.3!!!!! What changed??? My hair is breaking, my cholesterol is higher, my energy is low and I’m extremely tired. I need answers fast as this is very concerning to my health? I am contemplating whether or not to switch to a different brand. Please help!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Some are trying raises to see if they can achieve their former glory. Others are switching.

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        • Christine

          Its very frustrating! The recent update on 8/6/18 from RLC is basically no update. So still no news on WP and frankly with the way Naturethroid now is most will proabably feel like WP will have changed too even though they deny it. If it even comes back as its been forever.

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        • staci

          I’m not doing well on NP Thyroid. My first prescription back in May–I felt some positive results. But my second refill–all my joint pain returned, I am experiencing cold episodes and most recently, I am not sleeping well. All of my other levels and numbers are good–and I’ve read from many others that NP isn’t working for them either. It’s really difficult to know what works because for all the people complaining about Nature-throid here, I can find 5 other forums of people praising it. This is a frustrating journey!

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  40. Jolaina Walling

    Restarted Naturethroid after the shortage 12 days ago. I have no thyroid..anyway…I have been on straight cytomel only because I refused to go back on synthroid. I was on 100 of cytomel and went to 4 grain naturethroid and supplemented with 30 of cytomel. I have gained almost 10lb in 12 days. I called doc and told him something was different..I’m off it starting tomorrow and going back to 100 cytomel. Very very frustrated!!

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    • Judy

      I’m at a loss. I had a refill on Naturethroid in May, My 5 year old grandson got out o pre-school at the end of May, so I’ve had him constantly till his daddy gets home at 5. This really did me in with tiredness and stress because of not being able to do the housecleaning I normally would be doing. I just assumed it was my age (73)….but last week I went to the doctor with a complaint about my ear and telling him about the pulsing in my body, and pains that were fairly new. He did lab work and my tsh spiked to 12.9, The T3 (104), T4 (5.4).. (all out of range)…my cholesterol way higher than it’s ever been, as well as triglicerides, and bad cholesterol…my normal BP, was way high ….he increased my Naturethroid dosage and today we find out the pharmacy cannot get it. So I’m on here, and reading there might be something to the new crop of Naturethroid….and it makes me wonder too. I never had this problem till I got a refill after they shut down for awhile….and all the time I was thinking it was my age and all the stressors in my life…..can the wrong thyroid prescrption cause cholesterol and BP as well as stress??? that’s my question….

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        It’s that the new Naturethroid is leaving people very hypothyroid…and hypothyroidism can result in rising cholesterol, rising BP, pulsing, pains….etc. You need to press your doctor to put you on one like NP Thyroid by Acella…and if they pharmacy says they can’t get it, tell the pharmacy to call Acella! It’s readily available.

        Here is info directly from Acella:

        We have a section on our website where patients can download wholesale order information to bring to their pharmacy if they are unable to order NP Thyroid. NP Thyroid is available to pharmacies nationwide and we are not on backorder. (https://npthyroid.com/patients-page/pharmacy-checklist/) Some pharmacies make this claim to try and switch patients to another product. We want to help patients be vigilant, insisting that NP is available to order if not already on the shelf.
        If a patient or pharmacy has trouble obtaining NP Thyroid, they can reach out to our customer service line is 1-800-541-4802 or submit a request onlinehttps://npthyroid.com/patients-page/pharmacy-checklist/ and a representative will follow-up with them directly.

        Also note that Westminster is another new generic brand of NDT and it’s working well so far.

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        • Alex

          Hello dear Janie,
          Could I ask you please how calls the NDT made by Westminster.
          I am taking the NDTs for years… thank God that you are there for us!!!
          I don’t know what happened with me but by now I can’t take NP or Nature Throid longer then 1 Month as with NP I get Eczemas and with „new“ Nature Throid I feel totally awful. Still one year ago I didn’t have these symptoms….

          So I have to switch from NP to Nature Throid every 4-6 weeks.
          Maybe would be the NDT from Westminster an alternative for me….
          Thanks a lot for answering in advance!!
          Bless God Janie!!!

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        • Judy

          My husband went to the doctor to pick up a prescription for Acella for me, and they were all right with doing this. However with the Naturethroid, he was going to prescribe 146.25 mg for me, yet with the Acella he says the compound is different, so he ordered 90mg of the Acella. I don’t know how to confirm this is accurate…maybe you can help…..will I be getting the same amount of NDT yet smaller dosage….I do trust my doctor, but have had issues before with him underdosing…..

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            A grain of Naturethroid is 65 mg and a grain of Acella is 60 mg. They tend to have similar impact. But 146.25 is approx 2 1/4 grain, I believe, so 90mg seems too little if he’s calling that an equivalent.

        • Michelle

          Janie – I’ve been on 3 grains of Naturethroid for about 10 years. It has kept my TSH below 2 (which is where I feel better). Starting in February my skin started getting really dry, eventually fatigue, funny appetite, depression. I only got labs done because the year was coming up on my Naturethroid prescription. My TSH was suddenly near 6 (which the lab says is a “little high”). So, doc prescribed 4 grains. BUT now that I’m reading about why there’s been a shortage and your comments above about people feeling HYPO on the new formulation…I’m wondering if I don’t really need 4 grains, but just need to switch to Armour (which pharmacist offered) or NP from Acella. I’m gluten and casein (dairy) intollerant. Do you think NP is my best bet? Desperate to feel better.

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  41. Linda

    I was Naturethroid and then switched to WP thyroid. I’m reading here a lot about the drugs made by RLC. Should I be insisting that my next refill be of NP Thyroid? I pay out of pocket, and the diff would be $100. Or should i just stay on WP and go up on the dose? Thanks

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  42. Diana

    There IS something wrong with the “new” Naturethroid and/or that company, and I stand by that. There are just too many people reporting that they feel like crap on it. The comments on RLC’s facebook page alone are enough to stand your hair on end (that is, if you have any left after it’s all fallen out). I felt just fine on it before it ran out. Having finally gotten it back, 3-4 months on the same dose I was on before should have been plenty of time for it to get back in my system. I was on NP thyroid during the shortage and felt fine, albeit at a slightly higher dose since it is a bit weaker. My labs on the new naturethroid showed a suppressed tsh but frees in the tank. So yeah, it’s the company. I call bs on all their excuses. How do you run out of pigs? Good thing NP works fine, because I won’t ever try RLC again.

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  43. Marian Reed

    I have just started a new bottle of ERFA thyroid. The tablets have strange brown flecks in them which my last lot didn’t. I am starting to feel hypo. The exp date is 2020. Do you know what is going on?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      The same brown specks were always in the older NDT’s. If you are feeling hypo again, probably just means you aren’t optimal.

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      • Libby

        I tried to refill my ERFA in March from a Canadian pharmacy and was told it was no longer being made. I am in the U.S. so is ERFA just not available outside of Canada?

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  44. Carol

    I have been taking NatureThroid for three years since a total thyroidectomy, and have done great in it until recently. (There was a brief period of time on Synthroid, and I thought I was going to just fade away and die.). Lately on NatureThroid, I have been having terrible heart arrhythmias that I thought were due to caffeine – which I started downing like crazy to compensate for how exhausted I have been lately. I am halfway through a two week heart monitor and have discovered something amazing.

    Five days into having the monitor on, my new compounded prescription arrived and I started taking that instead of NatureThroid. That very day, the arrhythmia stopped. I have a few more days left on this monitor and am very excited forstbof all about how I feel so much better, and secondly, that I will have data to prove that my thyroid medicine was too weak.

    I have to admit that I have not read every comment, so maybe someone has mentioned this already; however, I am starting to believe that the big money “powers that be” behind Synthroid have manufactured the shortages and provided the weaker thyroid products. Synthroid is a monster and they have a lot of power.

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    • Sheri

      Hi. I know this a few months old so I hope you will see this. Can I ask you where you had your meds compounded. I tried compounded and didn’t do well on them. Allergic to all available brands except NT Which is not working for me. Wondering if maybe the pharmacy I used was the problem.

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  45. Joni

    Uh-oh…. is this side effect from the Nature-throid (diarrhea)? I recently started using replacement script for Nature-throid when WP Thyroid was long gone & unavailable. I actually tried extending the WP starting November 2017, by reducing my only supply–hoping WP would get produced sooner than later since Nature-throid was finally becoming available. Bad move as my FT3 dropped to below optimal levels, as well as FT4. Interesting that RT3 looks good….. anyhow, lost a lot of hair, cracked heels again (that’s when I KNOW thyroid is off, BTW).

    I actually have about week worth of WP left, and will use it for the 2X/day dose vs one NT + one WP (that I attempted to migrate to NT)… I’ll find out then if the diarrhea stops or not and if the new NT is the cause.

    I’ll cross that bridge if I find out the cause is NT…. choices are then what? Armour? NP? I see comments here about ThyroGold…. is this good or not?

    I’m in Texas and have no insurance this year, 2018.

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  46. Sunnysky

    Uh-oh…. finally have a replacement script for WP to NT since WP is still unavailable. is this a side effect from the Nature-throid (diarrhea)?

    I actually have about week worth of WP left, and will use it for the 2X/day dose vs one NT + one WP… I’ll find out then….

    I’ll cross that bridge if I find out the cause is NT…. choices are then what? Armour? Ack! I’m in Texas.

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  47. Bonnie Medd

    I am actually VERY angry. Mind you, it may be my wildly fluctuating thyroid levels due to Naturthroid, but here is what I just posted on the Naturthroid WP Facebook page:
    On their Facebook:

    “Nature-Throid & WP Thyroid, you may already have blood on your hands, but my daughter (who has NO thyroid) was on your Naturthroid medicine when she basically became SERIOUSLY ill both physically and mentally! She was VERY close to ending her life, even though she had two children! That’s just how bad it got! It was her thyroid levels that wildly fluctuated for no reason on your drug.

    Then, just this July 4th, the SAME symptoms hospitalized me! I’ve never had a problem before like this and I’ve been without a thyroid since age 22. I’m now 55! You are non responsive to ALL these people who are telling you SOMETHING IS DESPERATELY WRONG!!!

    We want answers. We want to trust people who make medicine that have OUR LIVES ON THE LINE!

    I’m not going away quietly and will escalate this until you give us answers! This is CRIMINAL in my opinion.”

    I failed miserably to thrive while on synthroid. I had a new life on Armour, then they changed. Naturthroid was a godsend until last year. Now I’m all sorts of messed up physically. This is the only drug I take. The only drug I need. I am holistic both in my food and life. I try very hard to do the right thing and now I am unable to tryst the very drug that I NEED.

    I’ll be calling the NP lab today to discuss and also a local compounding pharmacy. SO frustrated.

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    • Quinn C

      What did you ladies end up switching too? I feel like I took poison when I take the new NT. My throat is hurts so bad, my jaw is tight, my hair is turning grey, my skin itches, etc.

      I am looking to try something new.

      Thanks

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  48. Kathleen

    Not being able to get WP has really changed my life in the last 8 months! I’m really not sure what to do and my fmd is kind of at a loss as well. I was on WP for a few years and doing fine. No real symptoms of my hashis (no weight gain but unable to lose was my biggest struggle). Since ending WP I have gained a bunch of weight and have been losing my hair like crazy! I tried Armour first (horrible symptoms!) then got the new nature thyroid (weight gain and horrible hair loss) and lastly tried compounded desiccated thyroid (still weight gain and some hair loss). I am still in the compounded but I’m still having hypo symptoms even though my labs are relatively normal. TSH is suppressed at .03, free t3 is 3.8 (ref 2.3-4.2), and free t4 is 1.1 (ref .8-1.8). I’ve always felt best with very low tsh but since the med change I can’t stop the weight gain and hair loss. My hair stops falling out when I stop the medication but I’ve only done that for two weeks. What do I do?? She just suggested lowering the dose. Not sure that’s true answer. Wish I had tested reverse t3 and maybe trying compounded t3 would help. I do have low body temp. On a side note I have horrible sweating all day long on this medicine!! It’s awful! Symptom of suppressed thyroid or something else? I wish they would just bring it back already! Anyone have any insight? Or know where I could post results and get some insight? Thank you!!!

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  49. Lesley Kuck

    I have been taking 65 mg of Naturethroid since last year. My free T3 is always low. My hair is so dry thin and brittle-I have bald spots. HELP! I don’t think Naturethroid is working or at least the reformulated version isn’t. It seems different. The old pill was more beige, and I could put it under my tongue and it would slowly dissolve, also, I could break it easily into crumbs with my teeth. The newest pill is light colored and seems to have a hard coating. It is NOT the same. Is it weaker in formula? Does anyone have positive feedback with using Aracella or Armour? I’m over this chronic shortage and I was going to try WP Thyroid but it’s looking like they’ll never have it back in stock! Soooo frustrated!

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    • Barb Jean

      I have been on Armour for 10 yrs and have never seen any change in how I feel as long as I adhere to taking in the morning at least 1 hr before any food or other meds. The only problem was during traumatic surgery which did put my levels off for awhile. The price is outrageous though since Forest sold out taking all their top staff over to Abbott. This part has been hard, insurance will not cover unless I submit documentation from dr that I have tried all other meds and none work for me. I have Hashimotos disease and I take 120 mg daily. Armour is the only med I will take, it was a lifesaver for me.

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  50. Crystal Green

    I have developed hives once I started taking the Acella brand Np Thyroid. I never had this problem when I was on the RLC Lab brand. My blood work came back normal but yet my doctor has no solution. The ingredients from each company is different. Please help!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Crystal. Lab results have nothing to do with just being normal. Please study this page, ok?? http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101

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      • Marh

        BC/BS as of June will no longer cover dessicated thyroid meds, specifically my NP Thyroid. Only will cover Levothyroxine. A shock to me today at Walgreens. I was not notified of this change. Nightmare out of pocket cost, and insurance company deeming my/our health.

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        • ZB

          My insurance (Kaiser) does not cover NP Thyroid (AKA Acella). So…since I have been on NP Thyroid since 2016 I get it at Walmart with an RX from my doctor. I also use a goodrx.com coupon and then I only pay $76 for 200 pills instead of $235. (These coupons are free and anyone can use the website!) I never have a problem ordering it. Once you have it filled once, you can do refills via walmart.com. I even receive a text when the walmart pharmacy has had it filled. (It usually takes only 1-2 days to receive the text!). If you don’t have a walmart, goodrx will list other pharmacies & their pricing when you do your search. Just search under NP thyroid. Then put in the MG strength & quantity and it gives you a listing of participating pharmacies & then just print the coupon and go to the store. Easy!

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        • AB

          Ask BCBS to send an appeal letter to your doctor and see if they will accept it. I am in that process now and hoping for the best. I wasn’t informed by BCBS either.

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    • Audra

      Hi there! I developed hives and lethargy when I first started NDT years ago. I thought I was allergic to it. Turns out it wasn’t the medicine, but my adrenal glands. They needed support too. I needed to get on supplements for that. The hives went away immediately and never came back. Hope this helps!

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    • Charissa

      Crystal, I also get hives while on NP. I’ve been on Naturethroid for 10 years (NP when it was out of stock), and have never had hives on it. So it may not be your adrenals- it could just be an allergy.

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  51. Angie

    I contacted the maker of Nature-throid, RLC Laboratories, for the THIRD time this morning with regard to their apparent loss of potency..Provided my lab results and asked them to please advise…I will notify via this thread if I get a response.

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    • Alex

      Was on Nature throid, but starting losing hair. In addition, potency changes. Visited an endo who put me on a small dose of Levo and I feel better. Don’t trust the quality of these small labs. In addition, the sources from where these pig glands come from are not regulated.

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    • Angela Frye

      First response from RLC…
      Hello Angela,

      Thank you for reaching out.

      I understand your concerns however I can assure you we have not changed the formula. If you provide a lot number we are happy to tell you what the T3 and T4 analysis was for that lot. We never release lots outside of the FDA requirements.

      I know we have discussed this before in the past but I will forward your email for further assistance.

      Cheryl Parker

      Customer Care/Sales Support Manager

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      877-797-7997 Toll Free

      480-513-8690 Fax

      getrealthyroid.com

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      • Angie

        More communications via email from RLC…after a somewhat blistering response to the above, I am assured by Ms. Parker that she has passed my (and our) concerns up the food chain..I have thanked her for doing so and indicated that we all look forward to the RLC response. One note…Ms. Parker says in one email that the batches are never released if they do not meet FDA requirements (subject was potency)…heretofore, it was my understanding that RLC vastly exceeded those requirements and only allowed a 2% variation…In some cases, the FDA allows a fair amount of variability in drug potency…this is what I was able to find on what is allowable for thyroid preparations…https://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/PostmarketDrugSafetyInformationforPatientsandProviders/ucm161259.htm

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  52. housemaid

    I went to the NP thyroid pill website today for the first time and saw they have a Low Price Finder where you can find the lowest price for NP, plus a link to Good Rx which shows prices for drugs at pharmacies near you. Good Rx can really save you money with their free coupons. I can see I have been seriously overpaying for NP. I also looked at the insert for NP and it says that you should start at just 30 mg and raise every 2-3 weeks by only 15 mg. at a time. Then they say 60 to 120 mg should be enough for most people! They also say, “Intracellular resistance to thyroid hormone is quite rare.” Guess they never heard of Reverse T3, etc! At least they aren’t putting microcellulose in their pills.

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    • Amy

      What is the website? Also, since my wonderful Dr. Steelman has retired (insert weeping here) and a new less natural doctor has taken over his practice would anyone be able to direct me in finding a doctor, a place to find a doctor who prescribes either the NP or WP. My daughter’s PCP will prescribe WP, not sure about NP but he is general practice. I am at the point of desperation, my mind, my focus, my energy, my mood, my body, my hair are all suffering. I do not want to take Synthroid, I haven’t ever had to, my issue is not TSH anyway… thanks in advance. If anyone wants to email me I am fine with that too. I am reading all I can and trying to stay positive as I go up another pant size and my eyesight gets worse. =(

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        https://npthyroid.com/

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        • Linda

          Not sure what that site is supposed to show us? I was hoping it would provide a search for physicians who will prescribe NP thyroid.
          I admit – I’m new to the fight to get a decent doctor who will treat ME, and not the TSH test… I’m on Levothyroxine only – and still fighting the hypo symptoms…..fatigue, weight gain, increasing cholesterol, BP, Pulse, freezing when others are warm or hot, mild stomach upset (I NEVER before had this), and even headaches again (sort of mild , and almost every day, but every once few days, enough to need advil).
          I’m reading your books and this site, and searching…. for info, for doctors, you name it.
          BTW – I’m a strict vegan, no gluten either (8 years now) as I’m severely gluten and dairy intolerant…. and, my TPO despite not ingesting anything that I’m even mildly intolerant to, as I might actually be Celiac…is a 9 as of April of ’17…yet…doctors want to tell me I’m ok..my TSH is normal …. yeah, right…

          Based on your pointers in your book, I’m looking into starting with a functional medicine doctor about 45 miles away…
          any other suggestions?

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          • Sherry Gillis

            What region of the country do you live in? I’m in N. Calif and had a heck of a time finding someone, but after looking for literally years, I have a practitioner in Rocklin, near Sacramento, CA.

          • Kelley

            I have Hashimoto’s thyroiditis since 17 years old (currently I am 50). I got low-grade to moderate headaches EVERY DAY on Levothyroxine. For me they always occurred 10-12 hours after taking the dose. Something in my body chemisty does NOT agree with synthetic thyroid medicines.

  53. Patricia

    NatureThroid seems to be getting more and more scarce CVS told my husband’s doctor that they are no longer making the 1 gr. size. They’re trying to switch him to something else. Maybe it’s just me, but during the past few months on NatureThroid I’ve gone hypo (after being stable for several years). My T3 is under the range (not even in it) and my T4 is at the lowest end of the range. I’m waiting to hear back from my doctor about a possible med change because I’m really tired and cold.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      It’s more about shortages due to demand by former Naturethroid users. No, it’s not just you. LOTS of people noticing its FAR weaker. Something has gone terribly wrong.

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      • Susan

        I am really getting worried about the shortage of Nature Thyroid. I have been without for 3 days now and after calling around, no luck finding it. I am being “Encouraged” by my “fill in” physician that I really should switch to Synthroid which I don’t want to do. Any luck finding it elsewhere folks?

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  54. Gina Thorsen

    I get my thyroid from one of two compounding pharmacies. One of them cannot currently get the thyroid powder and the other is only giving patients one month of their pills at a time due to the shortage. I hadn’t realized this issue was beyond nature thyroid and WP thyroid, which are used to take before the shortages last year. I feel there is more to the story than we are being told and I am terrified of the prospect of not being able to get NDT.

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  55. Kim

    ok, im about to have an ugly cry bc d last 6 weeks have been weird. 6 weeks ago that batch was ok, i was getting what i needed and then my tsh/3/4 where good and jumped to free t3&4 started lowering and tsh went 64. then a week later after a small increase to 2 grains and only tsh tested was 55. 3 weeks later, retested tsh 73, t3 free is 2.7, and t4 is .5. idk what to do. im allergic to coconut so i cant do. and my drs are going to freak out when i see them this week. i can see it now, mri, d works. ironically i feel amazing. except no weight loss but i had gained 15 pounds, dry hands, and coarse hair and super cold. is NP thyroid still good?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Yes, NP Thyroid is still good. Hang in there. You can switch to it.

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      • Kim

        ok. just saw my dr and she was opened to switching to NP. i told her about the change which she herself was always afraid it would happen. putting off next blood work & new mri for 6 weeks with heavy symptom monitoring. she cant believe that im feeling overall amazing and only symptoms are weight gain at low speed and some hairloss. im afraid of np being a change since someone earlier said they also changed d formula? i believe it was a Lili on July 4. is NP sublingual? i was on 2 grains for NT and she put me on i guess d equivalent of 1 grain on NP 60 mg and titrate it as im going thru d motions bc ill b cking in every week.

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      • Sue

        Just found out today that Blue Cross Blue Shield will not cover any desiccated thyroid medication. They will only cover levothyroxine. When I went to pick up my NP thyroid today Walgreens refuse to pay for it, and told me as of June Blue Cross Blue Shield stopped covering desiccated. I am in shock.

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        • Chris Motte

          Hi Sue, just wanted to reply to your comment on BC/BS, we were just on their website today and they are back to covering WP Thyroid and gave Walgreens as a source.

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          • Julie Spears

            I was just asking my Walgreen’s pharmacist about Nature Throid, and she told me they are no longer carrying it, and that it has been discontinued.

            It sure makes it harder to work with an endocrinologist who like most, discourages NDT, when pharmacists believe it is no longer manufactured.

            We need as much current information as possible, because endocrinologists depend on standard tests and reliable pharmacies to test apples and apples, not oranges.

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            As someone who has being doing this for 16 years I can tell you that we have heard constant ridiculous things from pharmacists…

      • Sue

        Blue Cross Blue Shield will no longer cover NP thyroid. Just Levothyroxine not even Armour Thyroid.

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  56. James

    Hello – First time commenter wanting to share my recent Nature Throid experience. I have been taking Synthroid 150 mcg since my total thyroidectomy 2 years ago due to a massive goiter. Struggled on Synthroid with 30 lb weight gain, low energy, low libido, etc. I decided to try a desiccated thyroid product and for the past 6 weeks have been on Nature Throid 97.5 mg. Initially felt better but gradually felt much worse with greatly increased fatigue and brain fog. Labs today revealed a TSH of 71.35 (up from 0.35 on the Synthroid). Free T4 was 0.4 ng/dLand Total T3 was 54 ng/dL, both below “range”. Endo won’t test for Free T3 for some reason. Endo is suggesting going back on Synthroid and adding Cytomel OR trying Armour 90mg. I’m wondering if anyone has an idea why my TSH went up so drastically on the Nature Throid? It’s made me nervous about trying another desiccated thyroid product. Thanks very much.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi James. Well first, 90 mg is probably severely underdosing you. Even your labs reveal that. When you do that, your TSH will go up and you will feel worse. Then when you have the problems people are having with Naturethroid being less effective, you have a double whammy. And Endo’s don’t understand any of this at all. They also tend to be TSH-obsessed as you raise, and you have to stand against that, as well.

      Also, it’s never about the total T3. It always needs to be the Free T3, which measures what is available and unbound, unlike the Total.

      Study this page on how we raise and what we look for to be optimal: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101 Read it carefully, because you have to be informed to make NDT work.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        P.S. NP Thyroid by Acella has proven to be cheaper than Armour, and a great brand.

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        • shell

          Thanks Janie,
          Is there a page with ‘Ranges’ for labs? I read the Lab Work page & it says free t3 should be high range and ft4 midrange- but is there a chart that shows what the numbers in those ranges are? Thank you

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            No, some ranges are different based on the facilities, so there’s no “standard range”. But where we are even in different ranges is usually the same. So the Lab Values page still applies.

      • James

        Thanks for your thoughts, Janie. Very much appreciated. I am indeed considering a trial of NP Thyroid. I do have some concern about ingesting mineral oil on a daily basis, even a tiny amount. Perhaps I’m being overly cautious. I plan to call Acella and ask them about the source of their mineral oil. In the meantime I’m wondering if you have any thoughts about the safety of mineral oil in NP Thyroid? Thanks again!

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  57. Renee

    Hey Janie, you don’t have to publish this if you don’t want to, but I just came across a job posting on Craigslist (posted 6 days ago on July 10) for warehouse,packaging and manufacturing workers for RLC labs!!!! I wanted to share it with you because I found it to be Interesting and possibly good news! The link to the entire posting is below.

    https://phoenix.craigslist.org/cph/mnu/d/manufacturing-packaging-and/6639525391.html

    “Manufacturing Key Accountabilities include:
    • Responsible for weighing of raw materials following RLC Labs operating procedures
    • Responsible for the operation, general maintenance and cleaning of equipment
    • Match all labels/containers with batch orders prior to start-up
    • Follow/dispense formula(s) as required
    • Completion and reconciliation of batch records, work orders, testing and related manufacturing
    • Team player”

    The reason I am sending this to you is because it appears, from this posting, that RLC labs is actually moving forward!

    Also, RLC labs has a CURRENT manufacturing permit with the Arizona State Board of Pharmacy that expires in October of 2019. Their property address listed with the Board of Pharmacy for RLC labs is stated as 1850 E. Riverview Dr. Phoenix, Arizona. When I googled that address it came up as a company called Midstate Mechanical (they have a facebook page with what looks like interior construction pictures).

    I typed the address into google earth, and the name “Midstate Mechanical” is written on the front of the building. In the parking lot there looks to be lots of construction materials and debris and trucks. Looks like a lot of construction activity.

    RLC labs and Midstate Mechanical share the same physical address, however Midstate also has 1900 E. Riverview for an address as well. It may be possible that RLC labs bought the warehouse (or leased it?) from Midstate.

    In any case….I wanted to share it with you. It sounds like they are in the process of hiring a labor force for the warehouse.

    On a personal note, I’m doing well now on the Acella NP. It took a while to adjust things, but my numbers are good for me and I’m feeling well. I also added in a small dose of compounded testosterone cream (prescribed by my doctor), and I’m feeling quite well. My hair has finally stopped falling out!
    So, if and when RLC starts production again, I will likely not be switching back to WP (even though I loved it). It took almost a year, but I’m finally stabilized again and I don’t feel like messing around with another med change especially after hearing about the issues with the new batches of Nature-throid.

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    • Julie Spears

      Good sleuthing, Renee. This information is something all of us hypothyroid people need to know, because our doctors, especially endocrinologists, are too overloaded with information, and we are lucky when we find an endocrinologist to work with us! Thank you!

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      • Renee

        Thanks Julie! Since I posted that info, I have found other sites that are posting for various other positions for RLC labs. It doesn’t appear, or at least that’s my perception, that production of either med has happened yet. I am very curious to know where these “new” batches of nature-throid are actually coming from. I haven’t been able to find anything yet. If I do come across anything, I will let this site know. What I find weird is that we can find info about job postings and such online, but yet RLC labs posts absolutely nothing about this in their updates on their official page. Why wouldn’t they want to let us know that they are indeed moving forward?

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    • Janet

      Renee, did you find that you needed to adjust your dosage higher with NP by Acella? I was also on WP Thyroid then prescribed Nature-throid as a replacement, but have been experiencing issues. I just started NP at what the naturopath said is an equivalent dose but feel it might be a little low.

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      • Renee

        Hi Janet….Yes. I did need to go UP with a higher dosage of Acella NP. I was on 1 1/4 grains of WP and had to increase up to 2 grains of Acella NP. On the higher dosage of Acella, my last labs showed my TSH to be WAY low and totally out of range…if my doctor went by just that she would have lowered the dosage. Thankfully I have a great doctor who knows what she is doing. My free T3 is 3.5 pg/mL and my free T4 is 1.0 ng/dL. My doctor said she wants to see my T3 above 3.0, so she’s happy where I am now. Throughout this last year, I have managed to drop my TPO antibodies to 9 which, according to the lab I use, I am now in remission from Hashimoto’s.
        I also did some other things. I have been eating mostly paleo over the last two years, but I will indulge once in a while in some dairy or sugar. I take 200 mcg selenium per day along with 10,000 iu Vitamin D3 (I increase to 20,000 iu in the dark winter months) and 90mcg of Vitamin K2. I also take natural compounded oral progesterone and a low dosage of compounded testosterone cream (as I am premenopausal and having some hormonal imbalances). It took about a year of fiddling around with the meds and gaining weight, extreme body pain and joint pain and losing LOTS of hair, but I am FINALLY stable and feeling well. My hair has FINALLY stopped falling out!!!!!! I no longer cry in the shower as I watched handfuls of hair collect on the drain. I now also use morroconoil on my wet hair when I get out of the shower and it has helped tremendously with dryness. My hair is finally looking healthy again.
        I have decided that I will NOT be switching back to WP if and when RLC gets its act together. They have completely lost my trust in and respect for them. Plus, after all the complaints I’ve read about this “new” batch of nature-throid, I can only assume they will do the same thing to the WP.
        RLC seriously messed up in my opinion. They have lost me forever as a customer and I LOVED WP. I credited them for saving my life. But, NP is just fine for me now that I increased the dosage and made other lifestyle and supplement changes.
        I hope that helps! And thank you Janie for this website. You have been my “companion” in this awful WP shortage debacle. I have learned so much from this website. I am eternally grateful to you.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Hi Renee. I am so glad for you. 🙂 🙂 Yes we need that free T3 towards the top part of the range with a free T4 midrange. Both. That’s where people end up when optimal and has been observed for nearly 16 years now.

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  58. Gail

    I have been feeling worse since receiving the Naturethroid from the new production. Just had my TSH level checked and it has changed dramatically. The test results show that I am not getting enough hormone. Have the fillers been changed? I used to take Armour until they changed the fillers and I was no longer able to absorb the hormone. Did RLC do the same thing?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Remember that though the TSH can worsen, it’s more about the free T3 and free T4. We don’t know what has changed…RLC has always been secretive. But something clearly changed. You might try just raising it until your free’s are optimal i.e. free T3 towards the top and free T4 midrange. If problems are still there, time to switch.

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    • jean

      I also, have been taking naturethroid for about 3 years now and since jan/Feb 2018 it’s been downhill. Finally went in for a blood test in June be because I was so tired and my hair has been falling out. T3 and t4 were perfect in the normal range. But my tsh sky rocketed to a 9. I was absolutely shocked as I haven’t changed any eating, drinking, or exercise habits. 1 month later increased my dose, but I’m still not feeling right. Loved this product before had no problem till this year. Now what to do??? I just want to feel better like I used to and have my hair not fall out:(

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  59. housemaid

    Just looked at the RLC website and they have a July 6th update saying that there is no new information about WP available and to “check back soon”. So two months since their last update and still no news. This is really cruel. There is no good reason why they couldn’t have made at least the 1 mg dose of WP instead of making all these different doses of Nature-throid first. People on Nature-throid could have cut up pills to come up with the right dose, but people on WP can’t tolerate the fillers and are left with nothing but NP. It is helping me some, but not like WP did. Why must all thyroid pill manufacturers put these fillers in when it is unnecessary? Do they not understand that many thyroid patients can’t digest pills with fillers? Is there any kind of enzyme I could take that would make my left over supply of Nature-throid work again?

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  60. MICHELLE GRIMM

    Hi! I really need some guidance here – I’m a bit of a mess. I was on Naturethroid for past 6 yrs, dosage was at 2 grains. Shortage happened, could no longer get from my pharmacy. Didn’t think it would be a big deal and I switched to Armour dosage 120 mg. I’m now in overdose mode. gained weight, anxiety, completely exhausted. My T-3 free up to 5.4 My doc just found our local pharmacy can get me NT 1grain (she said to just take 2 pills) I’m seeing all the comments that everyone is having complications with the new product of NT. Not sure if I should get on a lower dose of Armour (?) or try going back to the NT ? Something needs to change fast, I feel like crap and can barely function somedays. Thanks everyone!

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  61. Lori

    I wish I’d read this thread b/f going to my dr yesterday! Their office actually lists STTM as one of the main websites they refer us to when considering thyroid issues…I thought that was pretty cool. It’s on all the paperwork. 🙂 Anyhow, I am 53 yo, had a total hysterectomy 12/17 and knew my body would change and thought I was prepared for it. In 4/18 when my thyroid/antibody levels were checked, I was “raging hypothyroid” and Hashi’s. My doc was surprised b/c I’d been on NatureThroid for 3 years (since 3/15) and had been doing well. Now suddenly I couldn’t get out of bed, developed joint pain and gained flabby tummy and weight. She increased my NT from 1.5 to 2 grains and we tested again on 5.24.18–labs were better but TSH was still 7.39 so she added 50 mcg Levo–thinking that I need more T4. Within two weeks, I felt as though I’d turned a corner in these long months of depression. I woke up with energy and an actual desire to get out of bed. Seems the T4 made the difference for me. But now after reading about all the NT/WP discrepancies going on, I’m wondering if the problem wasn’t the Naturethroid the whole time! I already take LDN so now we’ve added levo to the mix and it seems to be doing the trick. 6.28.18 labs were TSH .0166, Ft3 4.2 and Ft4 1.05. (they use STTM ranges as well) Yesterday she reduced my levo to 25 mcg and we’ll go from here. Labs again in 6 weeks. So glad I checked out your site again.

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    • Christine

      I also ran into this. My holistic dr tried adding in extra 25mcgs of synthroid on top of my Naturethroid and its helped some but I am still hypo so I am leaning towards trying compounded since there doesn’t seem to be any WP coming out any time soon. We were more just trying to see how I felt with the added t4 but I am still waiting on my Reverse T3 results to see if it is pooling or not. I think I am affected by fillers as well as dealing with cortisol issues and insulin resistance that was found in my saliva test. Its definitely all overwhelming and then to add to it theres either shortages on medicine or they change the formulas which doesn’t help!

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        The use of NDT is not about adding T4 to it, though. It’s about raising the NDT until optimal. But glad you are looking at the RT3. But high RT3 and pooling are two different things. One is the inactive hormone (RT3) going up, and usually due to inadequate iron first, inflammation second. The other is T3 going high and not getting to the cells. That is usually due to a cortisol issue.

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        • Christine

          Yeah I definitely still have some issues to sort out and I think I may just try compounded. I only had a 30 day supply of Synthroid since we were just trying it so it wasn’t quite long enough to get a good read on labs but this was with 65mgs of Naturethroid split dosed and then 25mcgs of Synthroid in the morning. I hadn’t had anything since 3pm the day before and had labs drawn at 8am. I know usually its 4-6 weeks before drawing labs so these aren’t probably the most helpful. I also am waiting on the rest of my iron tests so that isn’t helpful yet either. Its definitely overwhelming but I’m trying to sort this out. 🙂
          TSH 1.7 (.3-4.2)
          FT3 3.3 (2.8-4.4)
          FT4 .9 (.9-1.7)
          RT3 15 (10-24)
          Vit D 27 (20-50)
          Iron, S 95 (35-145)
          Ferritin, S
          A1C 5.1 (4.2-5.6) – Ran due to insulin resistance showing up on saliva test

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        • Sharon

          Hi Janie, I’m on NT 2 1/4 grains (about to switch to NP). I have graves (RAI) and Hashis. My iron is low- in range, but not optimal to STTM (Ferritin is high-out of range) Free t4=1.59 (0.82-1.77); free t3=3.6 (2.0-4.4); Reverse t3=33.3 (9.2-24.1) Super high! Any recommendations for lowering reverse t3? Raising iron? Lowering inflammation? Thank you!!!!!

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  62. Lili

    Is there anyone feeling worse on NP Thyroid? I have been using NP Thyroid for about 2 years with great results, but have been going downhill with my two recent refills. I don’t know what to do, but I know for sure that I had the same symptoms when I was on the new erfa. The texture of the pills are not so soft anymore and they look shinier just like the new Erfa. The difference is so obvious when I compare the new pills with the older ones I saved from my other refills.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Would be a good idea to do your free T3 and free T4, plus RT3. You may need to tweak.

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    • housemaid

      Lili, I was not on NP before, but I started it about 7 weeks ago. I had been on WP successfully, but I ran out and then started Nature-throid. NT did not work at all due to fillers. So I have been taking 3 grains of the NP and am having some success, but not nearly as much as on WP. I just noticed that I need to up my dose a little because the NP is only 60 mg per 1 grain instead of 65 mg like the WP. My supply of NP is about to run out and I am scared that you think the NP has changed. My pills are the soft and not very shiny ones that you describe as being the original. I hope that I don’t get some “new, improved” (NOT!) version of NP when I order again in a few days. It has been at least 10 months since WP has been available. I check their website every day. It is torture waiting to get my life back the way it was before I ran out of WP.

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    • Amy

      I am so confused, so much information to absorb and try to discern. I know the NT is junk from personal experience, I’m dying over here….
      -What is the NP?
      -Westthroid worked for me, is it still okay?
      -Has all Armour been reformulated since Forest was bought out?
      -Has anyone ever bought Armour from Canada? It mentions being a synthetic version of the desiccated thyroid. What does that mean? UGH!
      -What about a med named Thyroid from Canada Manufactured by Erfa?
      I am desperate, slowly losing energy, hair and quickly putting on weight despite walking and working out… Wont get to see a new doctor for 2 months, I cant go that much longer without meds and my old new doctor is set on NT and hormone replacement for $3500 a year!!
      Thanks in advance.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        NP is a brand of NDT by Acella.

        Westhroid is fine if you can find it.

        Armour was reformulated.

        Erfa in Canada is NOT synthetic.

        Learn: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101

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        • Amy

          Thank you!! I will attempt to read and focus on the info you shared, my focus and memory are suffering greatly.
          What is your personal opinion of the ERFA product? Better than nothing?
          And we can get Westthroid where we are, just have to get in to a new doctor who will prescribe it, that is couple months off.

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        • Kelly

          I have been taking Erfa for a number of years. It worked extremely well for me. Then a few months ago I noticed that the taste changed. It no longer had that distinct thyroid taste,but now there was a strong sugary taste. I noticed that my symps slowly began returning so I began taking more. I went from taking 1 grain to 3 grains and my symps wouldn’t go away. So I switched to Nature-Throid and my symps are still bad.(drained feeling,brittle nails,eyebrows stopped growing back are my major ones) Im only 10 lbs overweight.. I have to wonder if these companies are all lowering the amt of dessicated thyroid and not stating on the label causing all of us to question the formulas..I really don’t know what to do at this point.

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Kelly, moving to Naturethroid was the worst decision. It’s now weaker than it used to be. NP Thyroid by Acella is a better choice.

          • Shell

            So Janie, I’m currently on Armour 120 because it’s all i can get for my dosage (was on NT 113) Would you recommend NP Thyroid by Acella? If so, is the dosing the same as either Armour or NT? My doc is CLUELESS about thyroid, but I can’t afford one of the specialist docs. I’ve no insurance.

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Yes about NP. It’s been a good product. Yes about the dosing, but we always work to be optimal, which puts the free T3 towards the top part of the range and free T4 mid-range—both. And that’s with also having good iron and cortisol levels.

        • Michelle Grimm

          Hi Janie, I switched to ARmour about 4 months ago, about 6 weeks ago I crashed (felt like adrenals crashing) have gained 10 lbs, anxiety, overheated. My doc just found Naturethroid is available at our local pharmacy again and has called in script for me to change back. I was on 2 grain NT for 6 yrs, no problems. I started the ARmour 4 mos ago dosage was 120 mg. My T3 free is up to 5.4. I feel like crap, foggy-brain, can’t focus. Wondering if I should start 2 grain of NT right away and will it take awhile for symptoms to shift? Thank you for any insight!

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    • Heather

      Yes, I’m experiencing the same thing. Was on WP until early winter 2017, then had to switch to NP. Did ok for a few months, but recently have been experiencing aches and pains I haven’t experienced in the past. Also experiencing mood swings. I recently went raw/vegan. I’m hoping this will heal me so that I can stop NDT’s all-together. I no longer trust them and I’ve NEVER trusted the pharmaceutical companies.

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    • January

      I was also doing great until the Naturethroid reformulation. Now all my hypo symptoms have returned even though nothing in my life has changed except the medicine. I have gained 20 lbs in seven months in spite of healthy eating and plenty of exercise. My labs look normal and my iron levels are normal, too. Brain fog, joint aches, losing hair, dry skin, weak nails, NO energy, and itching skin with no rash. I am at my wit’s end with this issue.

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  63. bruce

    Takes a LOT for me to believe some of the internet rumors , but I can tell you that I’ve been on 3 grains naturehthroid for 4 years and most recently have had these Horrendous crashes in the afternoon. Went to go get tested and ended up with a TSH of 5.6 , ft4 not in range low, and a Ft3 barely mid range. I keep increasing, but its not helping. This new stuff is GARBAGE! I googled switching to NP thyroid and found this site. I remember you janie from about 8 years ago, when you talked me into getting off of synthroid LOL nice seeing you again. Do you think switching to NP is an okay decision?

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  64. Angie

    Has anyone here actually tried the Westminster brand of dessicated thyroid? I did some nominal research…small private LLC…short list of inactives…Looking for others’ experiences when taking it and whether or not it was easy to obtain…

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    • Sylvia Langlinais

      I started taking NDT from Westminster two weeks ago. I get it from Walgreen’s. The 90mg I take is the same T4/T3 ratio as the 113.75 WP Thyroid. I switched from a compounded formula that made me breathless. I feel better already. I am giving it another two weeks before getting blood work.

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      • Dana

        Hi Sylvia – I called Walgreens and they said they didn’t have Westminster Thyroid. May I ask which Walgreens you filled it through? Thank you!

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      • Angie

        Hi Sylvia: Thanks for your reply…my CVS Pharmacy here in a VERY rural area has ordered the Westminster for me..I called this morning to check the status of the order and they had had to order it a 2nd time as it still had not arrived…I was due for a refill and was feeling so badly on the remains of my N-T that I switched to Armour until the Westminster arrived..Glad to hear you are doing well on it.. I’m encouraged and hopeful…the list of fillers is short and I’ve never had a problem with magnesium stearate (was also used in ERFA)..so am hoping that the Westminster will work for me also

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      • Dana

        Update- I provided the Westminster NDC to my local Walgreens and they ordered it in with no problem and in fact said most other local Walgreens had it in stock. I’ll finish the last of my WP and begin Westminster next week. I’ll provide an update after a month or so.

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        • Alexa

          Hi Dana, how are you doing on Westminster? Could you write an update how it works for you? I am looking for an NDT alternative as well because the “new” Naturethroid doesnt wirk for me. Thank you very much fir answering in advance

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  65. Rebecca

    I loved the WP, but have now had to switch to Nature throid , I’m on 2 grains which I split am and afternoon. My last labs were ft4 0.8 and ft3 2.4, suppressed tsh. My naturopath is prescribing 5 mcg t3 to add every morning. I’ve read all the tips here, but still nervous. Should I just go to 1 grain and add the 5mcg t3 at first? Thanks in advance!

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  66. Christine

    Hi Janie-
    I may end up trying a compounded T4/T3 medicine, my question is it seems you can get a synthetic T4/T3 or also a compounded T4/T3 that uses natural (porcine). I am guessing its still better to do the natural compounded but then there is also an option of immediate release or sustained release for the T3 portion (if I am understanding this correctly). I am working on treating a cortisol issue right now and am still hypo but having trouble raising my Naturethroid dose right now. I also feel crummy with my T4 as low as it is so I may try compounded for a higher T4 to T3 ratio and to see if its fillers I am having an issue with too and just was wondering your thoughts on T3 (sustained or immediate). Thank you!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Honestly, we have found that doing compounded NDT with sustained release to be redundant. T4 is basically a stained release thyroid hormone already! i.e. it will convert to T3 as your body needs that conversion. And since we take NDT twice a day, same with T3–no need for slow release, plus we want the bulk of it during the daytime.

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  67. Rachel Murphy

    I was on armour & had bad side effects found out about WP & it was a life saver for me. I was switched almost a year ago to NP due to the back order & over time am inquiring bad migraines every single day. I had blood work done to see if it was a dosage issue but no blood work is normal. I have made several calls & no luck to get WP. I looked it up & found this. Can I ask if you have any idea when you will get the WP back? Can I have a compound pharmacy make this at all? I am desperate, as I am super sensitive to medications & the ONLY thing that I can tolerate is the WP. Thank you!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Sadly, we have no idea when or if WP will come back. And even if it does, this craziness with the new Naturethroid makes one wonder if WP will not be the same either.

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  68. Ryan P

    “full production” and yet here we are… a month later and no dosage is available again, not even the main 65mg dosage. No one has with a 50 mile radius. CVS, Walgreens, Walmart, Safeway, you name the pharmacy, they all chuckle when you ask about it and say “Yeah, no sorry, they went out of business.” So until I see otherwise, I’m going to assume that’s the case. There’s far too little info being released, they didn’t answer specifically what ingredient was on backorder for us to verify, and the FDA has no reports of them upgrading facilities, or switching addresses. Lie to me some more RLC.

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  69. Jess

    Wow. I didn’t even know any of this was still going on. I quit this brand about 2 years ago because even back then it was turning into all the Armour reformulations all over again.

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  70. Karen Williams

    I also am feeling awful on the new nature thyroid, my ft3 is only 2.8 ft4 .7 tsh 2.5. This really is life changing.

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    • Leigha Vest

      Tried alot of the thyroid meds diagnosed Hashimotos 12 years ago, Armour,Westhroid,compounded t3/t4,tirosint Recently was on Synthroid 88(gained weight fat flabby stomach,dry skin,fatigue) for two years. Then had WP thyroid one grain one month loved it! Can’t get it! Now just switched started on NP thyroid 1grain only been on it one week. Problem is right when I wake up I feel good then I exercise one hour and after I feel dizzy and want to go back to bed then dizziness stays till about 3:00 and finally goes away but I have very heavy feeling limbs at times. Other than that I like the NP. Are the dizziness and heavy limbs just a temporary switch side effect? I have had issues with dizziness on reformulated Armour.

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    • Angie

      I just got labs back…same for me…on 2 grains of N-T, my frees have been consistently around 1.0 (FT4) and 3.7 (FT3) HCUSA parameters…My Frees were .86 and 2.7 respectively…definitely something off…Reverse T3 about the same…not sure what I’m going to do at this point..

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  71. Cathy Newcomb

    My TSH was 6.21 in March of 2017 but my doctor wanted to “make sure” I had a problem before starting meds. It was 4.63 in April so she started me on .05 Levothyroxine. I switched to Armour 30 mg in February of this year and in March my TSH was 3.77. She had me add 2 pills a week. In April, I switched to Naturethroid (at my request). Before filling my first prescription for Naturethroid, I asked to be bumped up to 3/4 or 1 grain. She refused saying I still had a functioning thyroid and giving me too much would “kill it off”. (Is that true??) I’ve had my Free T4 checked twice. It was 0.9 in both March of 2017 and 2018. She won’t test Free T3 because she said it not accurate depending on stress, etc. I feel lousy! Can anyone tell me where to find the documentation to show where TSH goes low on NDT so that I can show her?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      You have an incredibly lousy doctor, but here goes: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/tsh-why-its-useless And there is one of her colleagues, a doctor, who wrote the chapter on the TSH, saying basically the same thing, in the STTM II book: https://laughinggrapepublishing.com/stop-thyroid-madness-ii-book/

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      • Crystal

        Janie I am having the SAME problem! I am on 3 grains of Armour.I am trying to get a second opin at a bigger teaching hospital but so far has been rejected. I have your book but they reject anything out of there. I went to AACE website & got symptoms of HypoT of there for the dumba** Doc & it came to me AACE briefly mentions Armour thyroid says it hasn’t been studied very much. I was thinking (for all of us) to do is contact the FDA and ask them whether we are being under-Treated b/c the lab machines are calibrated to T4 only meds & not NDH? B/c All across the board you find that they come in with a lower TSH! Maybe the problem is calibration of the machines. I used to work in a blood bank and we had to calibrate the machines daily to a control &the control comes from the makers of the machines. What IF there is only a control for T4 only? I know TSH shouldn’t be the only thing used but AACE teaches them that!!! What if we all filed complaints with the FDA? They would have to do something like contact all labs & issue a statement that NDH are not calibrated for the machine and a WNL may show as a Low TSH?
        What do you think? Thanks Janie for all you do. I’m so tired of fighting these stupid endos! Oh and did you know Levo causes CA!? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3765368/

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          It may be the worst thing to do to contact the FDA. They are not on our side…they have always been more on the side of the pharmaceuticals and their profits.

          There are actually no “lab machines”. Instead, the pharms use volunteers to test and thus create their ridiculous ranges…and they have no clue that they are clearly using volunteers with thyroid or other issues…all the latter which make “normal” ranges as normal for people who are sick, not those who are doing well.

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  72. P. Susan

    Is anyone happy with the generic Cytomel ( liothyronine sodium)? I’ve added Cytomel back in since the “new” Naturethroid left me with horrible overall body joint pain. I’m looking to switch to the generic Cytomel if you all say it’s just as effective. Thanks!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Did you not try raising the new Naturethroid? That may have done the trick. Otherwise, yes, people are happy with the generics if they understand what to look for with lab work.

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  73. Bob

    Here is somthing that i found helps my underactive thryroid. I take MCT oil and it has helped a lot, gives me more energy and i do not have to take as much thyroid meds as i used to. Try it it works. Just do not take the oil on an empt stomach without eating food first.

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  74. Julia Howes

    I was on Synthroid for yrs.,terrible side affects,then went on Armour & felt great! Formula changed in U.S., not working, got it from Canada,doing great! Formula changed, not working. Then took Naturoid, from Pharmacy in Arizona. Doing good but not as good as oringinal Armour, then started having side affects & feeling yucky. Turns out reformulated. Did not smell like usual. My bottle looked different too. Instead of see through brown generic little bottle, it was bigger solid white, with professional printed labeling on front but the Pharmacy’s plastered label over the complete ingredient portion. I decided to peel away the Pharmacy pasted label back & whoa! What a big surprise! NO dissicated product at ALL! Main ingredient was Lexvothrine, the ARTIFiCIAL or Syntheic thyroid medicine! I call Ed the Pharmacist & he said that it has always been that way! Said if I was having side affects to go back to my doctor & have him give me meds for them! He said their product was NOT different! So, I stopped taking Naturoid & started on Thyrogold & wow! All of my bad side affects went away! I actually lost weight & lost all of my bloated ness! My muscles & bones did not hurt anymore, my hair was falling out on Naturoid too. But now doing good. My skin was horrible on it , so dry & thick or hardened looking but now so soft & subtle. Stopped feeling sluggish & kind of depressed. . I am now working on proper dose I need but feel great again!

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    • Judith Auerbach

      Hi, Julia,
      I had tried the Thyrogold also and at first it seemed to be working but lately I’ve had reactions What strength have you been taking?

      Thanks

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    • Marilyn Borley

      I looked into Thyro Gold and wonder why on earth it is made from cows according to this article. https://www.naturalthyroidsolutions.com/contents-of-thyro-gold.html

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Because bovine works, too.

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        • Amy Campbell

          I have only taken Armour/Westhroid, I’m not sure what NP, WP or Thyro-gold are. However, after almost 12 years on Arm/West I am miserable on Naturethroid. My doc of 11 yrs retired, greedy doctor who took over is changing things for the worsethe Naturethroid, and pushing hormone therapy on everyone… NO!! I have been on 3 gr of West since Oct. 2015 now on the naturethroid, cant stop gaining weight and my hair is thinning again! I have literally worked my rear off to lose weight and keep it off, to have this happen. Working out, eating right, walking and still I am back to gaining ounces daily. The doc who took over is sticking with naturethroid… I have to find a solution fast, I cannot afford to buy a new wardrobe or keep having brain fog and fatigue. Advice would be greatly appreciated. How is everyone getting this thyroid? Do I have to obtain a prescription? I am cash pay, no insurance.
          I am Native American, I have my tribal card but I have never used those benefits. Worried I am not going to get my West or Armour back and I am ready to cry, actually I have cried. My doc is not listening. HELP, please and thank you!!

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    • housemaid

      Julia, you say some pharmacy in Arizona was giving you Naturoid and it was not dessicated thyroid but synthetic. Are you misspelling Nature-throid or is this Naturoid something that a compounding pharmacy has come up with? As far as I know there is no commercial thyroid called Naturoid. The ingredient in Synthroid is levothyroxine (T4). The same ingredient is listed on my old bottle of Nature-throid. However, the Nature-throid also lists T3 (liothyronine). Unmentioned on the Nature-throid label but still present are T1 and T2. So I guess the T4 in both the synthetic and the dessicated is called the same on the label, although one is man-made and one is from pigs. If the label of the drug you got did not list T3, then maybe a compounding pharmacy was making up something which had a similar sounding name to Nature-throid, but was really just cheap synthetic T4 and trying to pass it off as dessicated thyroid to fool people.

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  75. joyce martino

    I am getting a new 100 tabs of 2 grains NT.. Santa Monica Homeopathic in Santa Monica has been able to fill scripts as they had a good supply when they knew about the RLC issue.

    Has the formula been changed and has the price increased. thanks.

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  76. housemaid

    What does “a few more months” mean in regard to making WP again? Two months, five, seven, what?! I had already gained 30 lb. in a couple of months on my old bottle of Nature-throid that I found after running out of WP. I needed a cane to walk and was looking into wigs, so I quit thyroid altogether for a couple of weeks. Although my joint/tendon pains got better off Nature-throid, I gained 5 lb in one week. My legs felt like dough. I fell for a phishing scam even though I am normally the most skeptical of people.

    In desperation I decided to try NP because it doesn’t have the cellulose, but local pharmacies only had ten 60 mg tablets here and 20 tablets there. I had been on 3 grains of WP, so that wasn’t much help. They told me there was a shortage of NP, too, and they couldn’t order me more. I got the NP from a mail order pharmacy, but had to pay $150 for 2 months worth. They said the 180 60 mg pills I ordered was half their supply. Only been on NP a couple of days. Surprised it is so small and sweet. Dissolves under tongue, not chalky at all. It did get my temp up to 98.6, so far so good. Anybody know a mail order pharmacy with good prices and supply of NP? I live in a small town with no Costco, no Target.

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    • Starr D.

      Can you possibly try Sam’s Club? (you don’t have to be a member to get medicine from there.)
      I’m in Southern California, and they’ve always been able to get NP for me, since I was forced to
      switch due to the WP shortage. Maybe wherever you are, they could get it for you, too. Not sure
      if you can order prescriptions by mail from them, but you might look into this, as an option.

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    • Carolyn Yost

      I tried taking NP under the tongue and found I did not absorb as much as if I took it and swallowed it.

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  77. Jim Martin

    NO WP to be had anywhere I’ve checked in Southern Oregon…Very frustrating, so similar to the Armour baloney of years ago when a company says everything is fine when it is FAR from it.

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  78. Amy

    My experience – Naturethroid potency feels the same. I was feeling hypo but my meds were expired, I feel so much better & back to normal on “fresh” meds. Nature-throid is 2.8x less expensive than NP & Armour in my area. I hope they get their act together as I do not want to switch meds.

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  79. Red

    I was pretty stable on Nature-Throid for 2 years, and my hormones (FT3/TF4) look good on 3,5 grain. In the beginning of March I received the new batch of Nature-Throid. It was expensive to buy the only available strenght, 1 grain, and have it shipped here but I thought on 3,5 grain I would have enough for at least 10 months. It cost me $400.- I just started taking it like I always do, like I have done for years and thought nothing of it. After 2 weeks I felt completely woozy, miserable and constipated, it was awful. Because my mind wasn’t at home thanks to the new Nature-Throid formula, it took me a while to realise that my meds were the cause of my sudden illness. I still had 2 bottles with an expiration date in 2019 (new batch is 2021). I started taking the 2019 pills in 3,5 grain again and I rapidly felt like myself again. For the last month and a half I’ve been fine. Obviously my 2019 stock won’t last much longer. I don’t know what to do. Nobody seems to know by how much you should adapt your dosage with these new pills. I agree that this is proving every NDT critic right. It’s a very stressful period in my life right now, my partner who was always healthy as a horse was hospitalized 2 weeks ago, I have a job, we need to move and I can’t just check out of my life again and spend a couple of months in bed or in la-la-land again because some lab decided that my trusted pills should be changed, just like that. My body sucks enough as it is without me having to search for another optimal dose for god knows how long. I hate this and I really, really blame RLC labs for changing the formula. This new stuff is unstable and does NOT contain the same potency. Money is tight right now, and I thought I was covered for this year, but thanks to RLC Labs, I will have to invest in new labs, and new trips to a doctor to get a subscription for a European brand, which I then will have to pay for because only Synthroid is covered, of course. And then 400 dollars of meds will just lie around in my drawer. It’s laughable that RLC labs writes about how affordable they want to be. Well guess what, if you water down the potency that much everyone might as well switch to Armour because down the line it will probably cost the same.

    Does anyone know how much 3,5 grains in 2019 Nature-Throid is in pills with the 2021 experation date? 4 grain? 5? Experiences here seem to differ a lot, with some even claiming the new batch isn’t weaker but stronger. How come?

    I do chronically have problems with anemia (I’m 29 y/o, have been hypo since I was 25), low cortisol, low vitamin D, high RT3 and never-ending colds, so I might consider switching to Cytomel right away. I don’t have Hashi’s, I just checked anti-TPO again. My new doc thinks that my original TSH of 11,5 on a scale of 0,4-4 was not actually caused by the thyroid itself and almost fell of his chair when I told him I was taking 3,5 grains daily, claiming that was an insane amount of thyroid hormones. So here we go again. I can’t properly express how sick and tired I am of the whole freaking circus that follows when Synthroid does not fix. I’m supposed to start making babies in a year or so and it’s my duty to fix this body before I get pregnant so I don’t mess up the future kids before they are even born. Now that Nature-Throid changed the formula, I don’t even know where to start. I hope the guy in charge of changing the formula and lying about it steps on a little sharp LEGO block in a dark room in the middle of the night.

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    • Renee

      “I hope the guy in charge of changing the formula and lying about it steps on a little sharp LEGO block in a dark room in the middle of the night”. Oh Red….your comment made me laugh out loud! I couldn’t have said it better. That was hilarious!

      What is not hilarious is your story. I am so sorry to hear about what you’ve had to go through, and that you partner has been so ill. This has been a nightmare for so many people. I just wonder what the CEO and executives at RLC labs are thinking. Are they happy with themselves for what they have allowed to happen to so many people who depended on their products for their health? Do they even care at all about the people or has profit become the bottom line like it has with so many other companies?

      I had been on Synthroid for many years and was extremely ill on it. I finally found WP and was doing great for the first time in 20 years of being constantly sick. Then when WP went on back order I got switched to Nature-throid. I got sick on Nature-throid, so I switched to Acella NP. Although NP is okay, I have had to increase my dosage and my T3 and T4 are way too low and my TSH is out of range and indicates that I am actually taking too MUCH medication when in reality I am not taking enough. ARGH!!!! Thank goodness I have a doctor who doesn’t just rely on TSH testing or I would be in a world of trouble. In any case, I have felt like my life has been on hold since last fall when RLC stopped production on WP (the only med that truly worked for me). Since then my life has become focused on my disease again, and I have struggled to find a medication and the right dosage for me. The people at the place where I get blood drawn know me by name now because I’m there practically every month or so (not something I’m proud of!). I, like so many others I’m sure, agree with you that we cannot properly express how sick and tired we are of this mess that RLC has created.

      I cannot help but think (i certainly have NO proof) that this whole scenario was meticulously planned out and executed by them. They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew exactly what the effects would be. I think they planned to create an artificial shortage knowing full well that it would cause chaos and wreak havoc in people’s lives. Then when they finally start up production again when people are truly desperate, their pills will be less effective so you need more and they will eventually raise the price to make more profit. And on top of that, I’m sure big pharma is going to have a field day with this and push synthroid even more on us. We will probably see more synthetic thyroid meds being produced in the future as “reliable solutions” to the unreliable NDTs. I can imagine that we may even see that insurance companies will decide to no longer cover any NDTs in the future and we will have to pay hundreds of dollars out of pocket for our medication that may or may not work or be forced to take big pharma synthetic drugs. WP thyroid was great for me and a lot of people loved the old Nature-throid. After 20 years of being sick, I finally found something that worked and made me well again, and then BOOM….it was abruptly taken away with no notice, and who knows IF or when it will return. And IF and when it does return, who knows IF the recipe will be different. My guess is that it will not be the same as it was before the shortage.

      I hope that you are able to find a dosage of the new med that works for you. Thyroid disease is awful. It interferes with your entire life and impacts everything from work to personal relationships. I am sending you and everyone out there who is struggling, my best thoughts and wishes.

      And…….May your LEGO curse come to fruition!

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    • Belinda

      My naturopath told me to double my dose of the crappy stuff, and I started feeling the beginnings of normal after about 5 days. I chew it up and hold it under my tongue for several minutes before swallowing. Also, I was able to find some 2 grain NatureThroid with the 2019 expiration at WalMart. You can call around to various pharmacies to see what strengths they might have with the 2019 expiration.

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  80. Ann

    I have been on Nature-throid for over a year now with much anxiety trying to locate proper strengths . I just went to my doctor who said she would like me to switch to NP Throid as she said she found out that the makers of nature throid are sourcing from China. Has anyone heard anything regarding this issue? And should this be a problem if they are??

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    • Amy

      No, you’re not the only one. I asked my doctor why I have progressively started felt worse the last 6 months. I have felt great since I started Armour/Westhroid in May 2006. Started on the naturethroid right before the shortage. I am back to feeling stressed, sluggish, hair thinning, moody, dry skin and I have slowly put back on 30 lbs., this is despite eating healthy (low carb) as I have for 11 years keeping the weight off, exercising and walking. My doctor dismissed my suspicions that the thyroid may be off. I take so much they prefer I take it in 2 separate doses 3-4 hours apart. This is because when I take the full 3 at one time I can get heart palpitations. I started 3 weeks ago taking the full 3 all at once, not one sign of any palpitations. I became curious when I realized a few months ago I can no longer smell the distinct meaty smell of the thyroid in the middle of the night when I take my first dose. That is how I always knew I had the right pill bottle, the smell when I opened it. Now it smells like glue to me. What is going on? I am desperate to find an answer, that is how I found this blog. searching for answers. No matter what I do the scale goes up, its making me miserable and I cant afford to buy a whole new wardrobe…. at this rate, I am about to give up on this doctor. I cant pay over $100 a month to see them while not feeling any better and constantly gaining weight. =(
      Best of luck to you.

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  81. Sandy Budzik

    I can’t be the only one that has found the new NatureThroid not as strong as previous one. It looks different and it tastes different. Was optimal for several years with NT until I began taking new NT but have had to increase almost 1 grain to feel the same as before. Will be doing labs soon but don’t need labs to tell me I’m not taking enough NT. I’ve sent notes to RLC about this but have never had response. It really makes me furious that a company would do this. Unfortunately, this just feeds the fire for the Synthroid pushers that NDT is unreliable because it’s never the same formula.

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  82. Amy

    I always liked Nature-throid and having just got a fresh batch of it I feel better already. I cannot entirely blame the company but I was taking long expired meds and clearly they had lost potency.

    I just got a prescription for NP Acella after some struggle with local pharmacies and bugging my doctor…but I was not prepared for the price tag. Ouch.

    Nature throid for a month was $20….NP Acella is $70!!!! Just a tiny bit cheaper than Armour. This is awful, I have to pay out of pocket – this is simply too much.

    If I need an slight increase on Acella as my doc suspects this will put me at $87/month….FROM $20.49.

    I have to pay out of pocket…this isn’t going to work for me 🙁

    This whole situation makes me sick, I want to stay with Nature-throid and I’m in an impossible situation.

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  83. Crystal

    Personally I think this is a load of garbage! Ask yourselves how a company can afford to relocate, open a new manufacturing plant, stop production of ALL its products (the great majority for a year or more) and then expect to survive? Either their Finance Executive needs to be fired or something is very wrong here. Id love to see a copy of this company’s accounts. How are they paying their employees with NO income or very little from the few doses that have only just started to filter through?
    I suspect that they are reducing their output and waiting for revenue to improve before they can afford to start producing other doses and WP. They have obviously only started to produce the doses that make the most money.
    If this had been a planned operation they would have stock piled all doses of both brands to see them over the disruption of a genuine manufacturing shutdown due to relocation – I mean why would you bite the hand that feeds you????
    Now they are alienating people and losing customers hand over fist, many of which will not come back. If they had no problem with manufacturing their products why cant they just start producing at least limited stock of all doses and WP?
    This has all the hallmarks of a financial crisis with a company either in denial or trying to regroup in the hope they will have something left to salvage.
    Personally, I gave up long ago and accepted that WP was not going to return and certainly not any time soon or in its last form before it was stopped. The sad thing is that this company is either in denial, has no morals or conscience and is prepared to risk the health and lives of so many people by not warning them of what was about to happen to their medication a year ago.
    On principle I would never give them my business now, because id never trust them again.

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  84. Margaret

    I’m on Naturethroid 2 grains, just got my lab results back and they’ve improved from my labs 2 months ago. The new Naturethroid seems to be working fine for me…very grateful! I hope others who aren’t doing well, see improvements very soon.

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  85. Katrina

    On NAturethroid, prior to shortage I felt great, numbers were good and symptoms subsiding and weight melting. Then the shortage shoved me to NP and I don’t feel great, joints aching, hair falling out, weight back on. Labs show TSH fine, T3 mid range, T4 number is lower than range so suggesting I’m on too much. Cortisol doubled. Extremely stressful life these past months. Doctor thinks it could be high from stress. Either way things aren’t working like they did o NAturethroid. Wish I could get back to what it was before shortage.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      To the contrary, that’s not too much. It’s too little. Optimal puts the free T3 toward the top of the range, not mid-range. Also puts the free T4 midrange. It will work just as Naturethroid did if you get to optimal. http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101

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      • Katrina

        That’s what I thought when I saw the labs he showed, the number was less than the lowest “in range” number. But my doc says I’m on too much. I wish I understood it all better, wish my doctor did too!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Your doctor is going by the TSH. We do NOT go by the TSH when ON T3 or NDT!! It’s normal for it to go below range on NDT or T3! http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/tsh-why-its-useless

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          • Jill

            Thanks, Janie. So to be clear, my TSH is at 0.044 and my T3 is at 5.2. I’m exhausted most of the time. Climbing stairs wipes me out and I used to be a boxer. My doctor is letting me increase to 90, but I don’t feel like it’s enough. Is the TSH okay at .044? IT looks like they didn’t do my T4. Praying more armor thyroid lets me have some days with energy. Trying to be patient and let it kick in.

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            It has proven to be perfectly normal for the TSH to fall very low like that, and with no negative issues. You didn’t put ranges, but if that free T3 is over range, you are pooling: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/pooling

  86. Carol

    Thank you for this great information. My daughter took Armour for years and our pharmacy switched one year ago to Naturethroid. Since then and without realizing a possible connection, she has developed both high cortisol and anemia. She has no adrenal or pituitary tumor and has never taken steroids or The Pill – thus finding no cause for her high cortisol so is being diagnosed as “sub – clinical” cushings and they want to start her on a new med called Korlym which leads to other meds (and lots of side effects) and starts a long and vicious cycle. Please explain further about your statement at the bottom of this page where you state: “Some people have developed either a cortisol problem and/or iron issue, and it’s being revealed on the different brand. Find out by doing all four iron labs and cortisol saliva testing. Too many people are blaming brands, and it’s most likely either 1 or 2 are the real problems.” – what is 1 or 2? I did read the link about cortisol problems and/or iron issue.
    Thank you

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      1 or 2 are these:

      1) The amount that did you well on Naturethroid or WP may be a different amount with another brand. REDO YOUR FREE T3 and FREE T4 and see how you stand after being on the different brand a few weeks, because you may need to tweak. Optimal puts the free T3 toward the top along with a free T4 mid-range.
      2) Some people have developed either a cortisol problem and/or iron issue, and it’s being revealed on the different brand. Find out by doing all four iron labs and cortisol saliva testing.

      Too many people are blaming brands, and it’s most likely either 1 or 2 are the real problems.

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      • Marg

        Been on NP since it first hit the market. I sang its praises, fought to stay on it when doctors told me I was hyper–uh, no, they prefer you stay hypo. So now my daughter is on NP. Also loved it. Until recently when we noticed we felt it wasn’t as potent, didn’t smell as good, and now we are both itchy. Body itching. When they first came out, I don’t recall seeing maltodextrin as an ingredient. It causes itching, and stomach pain and we avoid it. So what is going on? Is NP failing us? If we can’t take this, we are doomed.

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        • Carrie

          I just started taking NP and called the factory to make sure that maltodextrin was no longer in it, as I am allergic to it. I was told it has been taken out and that there should no longer be any containing it available. The pharmacist also assured me that it was not listed on the box as an ingredient. I have not had the maltodextrin reaction so I feel confident that it is no longer in NP.

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  87. V

    I would have to say that they are blowing smoke. Honestly, I am disgusted with how they have handled the situation. I was perfect on WP. Now I have to take double the Nature Throid and I can definitely verify they changed something. I used to have anaphylactic allergic reaction to NT. Now, I can take it without a problem other than incredible inconsistency from day to day. I fully expect WP to have MCT (coconut oil) removed as the shortages just *happened* when the AMA demonized coconut oil again. I don’t trust a word they say. I have checked a website for employees to anonymously report the quality of their job. Pre 2017 RLC was considered excellent. Starting in Jan/Feb of 2017 they have bad reviews and angry former or current employees. That speaks volumes. I am being treated for SAI, iron etc. In fact, 65 mg of NT is on back order AGAIN this week with no projected availability. My physician is a great doctor and my pharmacy is a great pharmacy. (Please don’t demonize all pharmacists. As with doctors, there are good ones and bad ones.) In fact, Synthroid is manufactured in Puerto Rico and there has been a shortage of synthetic thyroxine as well. This could be where the confusion comes in. And RLC Labs have done NOTHING to assure it’s clients. I am angry beyond words because I rely on NDT to live. No thyroid means death for so many unless we get our life saving medication. I have tried NP in the past when it was first out with more disastrous results. I haven’t tried it recently and it takes a good 3-6 months just to feel good again. But I am considering trying it because I no longer have any faith in RLC. Don’t ask me to be patient when I could be dead. (Thank you for letting us express our thoughts.)

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi V. If you move over to NP, remember to do your free T3 and free T4 after a few weeks, then tweak if necessary. Though some people end up on the same amount brand-to-brand, others do not and need to tweak. NP is a good product.

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      • V

        It is now almost July 31st, 2018. All strengths of Nature Throid have disappeared again. I stayed on NT and I am feeling worse and worse. My doctor is giving me samples of Acella NP this week. I am reading that people are now having trouble with NP?! No thyroid, can’t take synthetics, I don’t believe RLC anymore. I am scared to try NP again. No insurance means I cannot afford testing and my doctor only does testing when absolutely necessary. I have been bleeding heavily off and on all month on NT. Severe left hip pain and severe muscle stiffness. On Cortef 7.5 mgs for cortisol and iron every other day unless bleeding, then every day for 2 weeks. I am doing all the right things and so is my doctor. Can anyone help me with now having to switch to Acella NP? Good experiences from those without a thyroid? Feeling better switching to NP from NT? Janie? Anyone?

        Also, as an aside AVOID THESE SO-CALLED DOCTORS. Omg.
        https://forums.studentdoctor.net/threads/is-np-thyroid-is-generic-of-armour-thyroid.1287216/

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          No, people are not having trouble with NP as if it’s problematic. People who report that fail to understand the iron and cortisol factor, or stay on too low a dose and have problems…then blame NP. NP has been working wonderful.

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          • V

            Thank you, Janie! I am to start with 4 grains (2 g am/ 2 g pm) of Acella NP tomorrow. A bit nervous about how high, but that’s approximately what I was on with NT. We shall see. Thank you so very much for your hard work!

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            You might want to start a little lower, such as 3 grains, just in case. Then tweak if needed from info from labs.

  88. Susan

    I cannot recommend NP Thyroid (Acella) enough. I switched from Armour to NP Thyroid because the price was much better and could not believe what a superior product NP Thyroid is. Sublingual works much better for me even though I have excellent digestion. What insurance covers NDT? I have not found any insurance that does and am okay with paying cash. I’m on Medicare and refused the drug insurance because it is very expensive and does not cover NDT, and the NDT is the only thing I take that has a significant cost.

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    • Sandy Budzik

      Just FYI I am on Medicare and have prescription drug plan that costs $25.60 a month from SilverScript. I take a lot of pills for chronic diseases so it is worth it.

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      • Carlo

        I’ve had my best results on NP Thyroid. I’ve found the best pricing and consistent supply at WalMart. And even though I have drug coverage through work, I’ve saved more money using the the free app, GoodRX, that will not only show you the best pricing in your area for your meds but also any applicable GoodRX discount. Using GoodRX, I pay half the price versus what my work coverage charges.

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  89. Dee

    I’m in Canada so not on Nature Throid nor WP, but have gone through the new ERFA fiasco, and have not been on any ndt for almost two years now because of intolerance to it. I’m beginning to think after reading the comments here, that the problem might be with the actual thyroid hormone itself that these companies are using for the base hormone in their products. So, could be something in the hormone itself that is circulating through the system? Could it be that cellulose has been added to the actual hormone all of these companies are using now? Will we ever get to the bottom of this?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Dee, there are actually two topics to comment on in your post. First is about your “intolerance”. That can be more about you having inadequate iron and/or a cortisol problem, which any NDT will reveal. This page explains: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/iron-and-cortisol

      As far as the actual powdered thyroid, it is odd that whenever any NDT is “changed” in any way, out come legitimate complaints due to clear changes. Doubt it’s cellulose. But who knows what is going on.

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      • Dee

        Thanks Janie. I’ve been posting on both of your blogs about new ERFA and I’m one of those people who actually has an allergic reaction to new ERFA. I would switch back to my old (and long gone) stock of old ERFA, and would tolerate it great. The new ERFA caused all sorts of almost instantaneous allergic reactions. I go back and forth thinking it could be the hormone, itself, to the change being about different ingredients. Right – who knows? 🙁

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Yes, the “new” Erfa sure has been problematic for allergic-like reactions, even as they deny that any changes were made.

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          • Amy Campbell

            Where is the blog about ERFA, please, I was just looking into this! I thought I had found a solution. =(

  90. Marilyn Y Wallace

    I have been able to get Naturethroid all along between a couple pharmacies. About a month ago I became symptomatic. My son, also on it, had elevated numbers at his latest endo apt. We also see an acupuncturist that muscle tests and results are neither of us can tolerate naturethroid now. I have an one pill of the old kind and am going to take it by the acupuncturist to muscle test that one. I know what we will find, it is good. We have been on it for years with no problems. Now we are a mess. Infuriating because it takes so long to level out again. I know they messed with the fillers. Probably need to make a move to NP or armour. NP fillers are not great- mineral oil! and dextrose (probably corn).

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  91. ANITA

    I have to agree, I believe the formula for nature thyroid has changed in some way. My labs have been unstable sense the meds have been back in production. My dose has changed from 1gr. to now 2 and my T-4 and T-3 are low while my TSH levels are normal. I wish I did not have to take this crap. I believe this is why we are all sick.

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  92. Carmen Badeau

    I’m doing just as well on the new production of Nture-Throid. However, my dosage is 81.25 mg (or 1 1/4 grain). And I see that they aren’t releasing that dosage just yet. So I have to have two prescriptions, a 1 grain and a 1/2 grain. Then I have to split the 1/2 grain so I can get my proper dosage. It’s a pain, but I have loved Nature-Throid so much that I am will do do whatever I can to get my dosage! My weight stays consistent to my optimal weight, my energy level is good! I hope I never have to change! Maybe soon they’ll release my dosage! I hope!

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  93. M

    This was so poorly handled I do not think I will ever go back to using their products. To suddenly have your thyroid medication that you depend on to live unavailable with no ETA does not have a word. Frustrating simply does not describe the fallout my health went through after switching to Armour. After surviving thyroid cancer, and now depending entirely on thyroid medication post thyroidectomy, this situation and how it was managed is beyond flawed.

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    • JANIS

      Naturethroid has always worked for me. I have had doctors try add synthetic T-3 or Armour – nothing agrees with me more than the Naturethroid so when it became unavailable I had to do a lot of work to find it. I needed to be persistent. I contacted RLC Labs and they explained what was going on and gave me the names of pharmacies that still had stock (only 1 gr was available). They didn’t take insurance and I had to pay for shipping, but only one time. It started to be available in Seattle again.

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  94. Lisa P

    Is there somewhere folks can share their experiences with taking non-prescription brands of Thyroid hormone such as ThyroGold or others? I am considering one called T150 by Xymogen which my Nurse Practitioner helped her feel better than even WP as she is highly sensitive to the fillers. Thank you.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Can tell you that patients report doing quite well on the OTC versions of NDT like Thyrogold. But an FYI; the product you are considering contains a lot of other ingredients which you’ll be raising as you raise the product to find your optimal amount. So it’s up to you. We tend to prefer those products which are JUST the desiccated thyroid.

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      • Lisa P

        Excellent point, Janie. Thank you for pointing that out! FWIW, the T150 has probably the least of other ingredients in it. They make a separate product for mineral support for thyroid. I will consider that. And check out the NP.

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  95. Carolyn

    The new Nature Throid did not work for me. The silver lining is that I feel better on NP that I ever felt on Nature Throid. I’ll never go back. Also, I did not appreciate feeling like a junkie trying to track down a fix when Nature Throid went off the shelves without notice or a plan by the manufacturer.

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  96. Betty White

    I was on the 113 and doing fine. All tests was good and tsh was just a little low. I started to take the new pills, 65, 32, and quarter of the 65. Wow what a difference. I felt horrible and my tsh went from just little over to the low to a very very high tsh. I may let the Doctor try me on the 130 that is coming out for 30 days, but if it is not working than going to try the NP

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  97. Tammy

    When my pharmacist advised me there was no Naturethroid to dispense I switched to Armour. Initially I felt ok but after 6 months all of my symptoms returned and I felt horrible. I was able to get Naturethroid this week and it’s a dramatic and immediate difference! I appreciate the explanations and their care in making a great product. And I am relieved to feel better!

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  98. Rachel Johnson

    I went from Naturethroid to WP Thyroid then back to Naturethroid when I was unable to obtain WP anymore and my thyroid crashed in Jan on Naturethroid. I do not believe they have not changed or reformulated. What would cause my TSH to raise over 20 and my T4 to drop to .54 on the same dose through out this whole ordeal??? I have sent a sample of the old Naturethroid with the new Naturethroid to a lab for eval. This company is gambling with peoples lives.

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    • Sandy Budzik

      I am really interested to see what lab says because I have had same problem and am gradually increasing my dosage.

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  99. Ellen weir

    Thank you. Has the formula of naturethroid changed since they closed their facility? Has there been a before and after test. My adrenals crashed after it became available. On HC but am thinking of compounded. Went through the armour nightmare in 90’s. Ellen

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  100. Marilyn

    This was very poorly handled. Leaving customers uninformed about a medicine on which their lives depend is beyond inconsiderate. I don’t want to trust them again. I can’t get any of the natural thyroid meds in my town, except Armour. But after their reformulation a few years back, it no longer worked for me (not to mention the obscene price increase!). Wish there were more options.

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  101. Dianne Long

    I have been on Armour for years and returned to it when I could not obtain WP or NatureThroid.. My doctor understands that I will not use synthetics. I will check in with the manufacturer and see what happens. My pharmacy orders go through the Tricare system. There will be a copay on this (there always is), but that is nothing when I consider my health. Thank you for bringing us up-to-date!

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  102. Meg

    Thank you so much for the update! I am fortunate to still be using my stockpile of WP. I always kept my script for the highest dose, because WP works for me. I didn’t want to get stuck with a mainstream doc who wanted me on synthroid. I am down to my last bottle, and am thrilled to hear that production is picking up! I just spoke with my pharmacist, and he was going to contact my doc about switching to naturethroid for the time being. This gives me hope that WP will be back in all it’s glory soon!

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  103. Dean

    Want to thank you again for recommending NP Thyroid. With the passing of every week I am feeling better.

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  104. Cortney

    They did a poor job with how this was all handled. Makes me nervous to use the company again… I am a wp thyroid gal as fillers just bother me bad and even have heart races. Palos, yukky anxiety list goes on… I tried nature thyroid n nope didn’t work… sadly do Iis what I need n o no now many of us r unhappy with the company y but have to use it..
    MY WORRY IS ONCE WP BECOMES AVAIL PPL WILL STOCK PILE IT.. I WISH for me i could use other kinds but I cant…
    This has been a extremely scary n hard time since the shortage and pray for everyone dealing with serious issued like I’m dealing with.
    I just pray nightly they get wp back on the shelves asap… seems like this has been a super loong time, and I’m afraid by time it is avail will be a year as Oct will be here before we knownit and that will be a year for me….
    Hugs to u all… let’s keep praying they get this on the market …
    Hugs n prayers to all the wp thyroid users like me who HAVE NO CHOICE, BC OF FILLERS…
    Ps. I think so jus

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    • Judith Auerbach

      I agree with you, Cortney , that it has been handled badly and this message by them is hardly an “update”. It’s exactly the same thing they have been saying all along which gives no indication as to when WP Thyroid will become available and, like you, I have no choice because of the fillers in other products. I have been using ThyroGold in the interim, which seems to be working OK.

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    • Lori

      How do people stockpile a prescription??? I totally agree with you on the comments about the company. I took Naturethroid for a few years. The last year I was on it I noticed a difference in the pill. I always thought it tasted peanutty and then that went away and I felt worse. Since January, I’ve been on Thyrovanz.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Some buy extra of the over the counter NDT products. Others get their prescription written earlier than they need to stockpile.

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  105. Kathy

    This letter to me is too little too late. I’ve already switched to NP and it has made a big improvement in my health. I feel that they could’ve done a better job keeping us informed and for that I think they will continue to lose customers. I really can’t trust them.

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    • Amy

      I, too, had to switch to NP Thyroid and am feeling fine. I didn’t really notice much difference in the two (except that I was unable to obtain Nature Throid).

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      • Niki

        Nature throid is available through dca pharmacy. I have to get them mailed to me but at least they are available

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  106. Nadia

    I also heard that the ingredients are not the same. Hence everyone not feeling the same.
    Please advise.

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    • Natalie

      Since the Nature Throid is back in stock and I started taking it… They have had to up my dose. I feel like the formula has to be different. I never went off nature throid because I had enough stockpiled at home that I didn’t have to switch to anything. But as soon as getting the nature throid back in March when it became available again in the pharmacies, I have felt like crap. Went and got labs and my TSH was 30!!!! WTH. Have done nothing else different. I feel that something has to be different with the product since returning to the market. Anyone else have this issue?

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      • Betty White

        Same here. I was horrible on the new meds. I don’t care what they say. They may have changed the fillers.

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        • Christine

          I unfortunately don’t know what the old formula was like because I have only more recently started taking it. My first NDT was NP Thyroid but I ended up switching as I didn’t feel very good on that either and Naturethroid had more dosing options so thats what I have been trying. Naturethroid is also half the cost for me versus NP. I am waiting for my saliva results as I still don’t feel well and having awful symptoms with my stomach being upset/bloated etc. I was really hoping to try WP when it comes back but if everyone is thinking they changed the formula on Naturethroid, I wonder if the same will happen with WP. Very frustrating when you don’t feel well all the time!

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      • Rachelle

        Same here I’ve felt terrible for months and went directly from the old supply to the new version in Dec/Jan 2017. I’ve tried raising and lowering and neither seem to help as much as they should. My TPO antibodies had consistently been in the low 100’s for several years and suddenly jumped to the upper 200’s.

        I tried NP but it was causing stomach issues and nausea. I know many people love it!

        I am going to talk to my doctor about adrenal and iron labs as well as hormones next week to make sure those are optimal. I am trying to be consistent with gluten free and dairy free (except some cheese) even though I rank very low on the food sensitivity scale and negative for celiac and Ana screen always negative.

        I was so miserable we reduced my dose and I’m trying to stabilize but still loosing weight about 10 lbs overall in 5 months. Is this common when you are trying to stabilize levels? I am not trying to loose weight and was a healthy weight so it is concerning me a little bit.

        My doctor has suggested adding several vitamins and increasing my Vitamin D from 1000 to 5000. My hydroxy Vit D was 52 in March (range of 30 – 100). What kind of supplement is best and has anyone had success with it lowering antibodies?

        Overall I just can’t help but think something has changed (not sure if the change is me or the Naturethroid). I want to try WP when they start making it again. For right now I’m thinking of adding compounded t4 and T3 to try to balance things out! I just want to feel better….so tired of feeling bad all the time!

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Do not do blood for cortisol, as your doctor will try. It’s about this: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/saliva-testing There’s a link on that page to order one.

          Also four iron labs.

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          • Rachelle

            Thanks I’ve just ordered the saliva testing! For hormones is blood or saliva best?

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Blood has proven to be fine for everything BUT cortisol. And when you get the saliva results back, don’t go by what they say. Go by this page: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values 🙂

          • Marg

            NP now adds maltodextrin among other fillers. They sneaked it past us, the ones who took it when it first came out. My symptoms began about 6 months ago, just like old Armour. Did some fast checking, and the FDA lists the ingredients. Whereas, the patient information sheet with NP says nothing, nor does their website. They used to proudly say that they were natural. Something bad is happening to all the dessicated. Free-dried porcine? More fillers that cause allergic reactions. I was the last person to turn my back on NP. This is a nightmare as I need it to live, as I no longer have a thyroid

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Marg, many many people are still doing wonderful on NDT. So no, nothing bad is happening to all the desiccated. Sure, some may have allergic reactions to the fillers, or they were never optimal, and are now having problems due to that or having an adrenal or iron problem from not being optimal. But others are doing very well on it.

      • Sandy Budzik

        I have experienced the same problem since new one came out. I have been slowly raising my dosage 1/4 of 48.75 at a time. Have raised twice now and things are getting a lot better–will probably raise another 1/4 and then go for labs.

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      • Crissy

        I have been on nature thyroid for about 5years now. I have not had any problems till my last batch. My TSH is .031 Wow what happen? I feel bloated..constipated…and hair fall. This is terrible. I used to like this nature thyroid but now I’m not sure what to do!

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        • Marg

          They are adding more fillers and using freeze-dried porcine. The exact same thing happened with me on NP Thyroid, higher TSH, feeling bad. It’s ALL of the porcine. It’s a way for the FDA to get us to big pharma.

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Marge, NDT is dried pig thyroid in a powder form i.e. “desiccated”. And no, it’s not “all” of the pig. It’s just the thyroid.

        • Patricia

          I’ve been on NatureThroid for several years and was stable until recently. The past few months I’ve noticed lots of hypo symptoms. Went for labs and my T3 was below range, my T4 at the very bottom. Unfortunately my doctor dismissed all of this and told me it was my fault for not testing at the proper time and not taking my meds correctly. So not true. I’ve been without a thyroid for nearly a decade and know how to do this. Moving on to a new doctor, but it definitely appears that the “new” NatureThroid is not as potent.

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      • Stephanie

        This last batch of Nature Throid must be the new kind. My tsh was 10.420. I just msg’d my endo to switch to Tirosint. Hope it works better than this. It seems like every time I try NDT they do some reformulation, then it’s hard to get, then it doesn’t work as well as it did before.

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