Let’s talk WP Thyroid–not the old one….the NEW one recently coming out!

THYROID FRIENDS, though I mention below what happened to Naturethroid, comments on this post need to be about WP THYROID ONLY.  I won’t approve any more about Naturethroid to avoid confusion. There is a link below to click on if you want to comment about Naturethroid. 🙂

RLC Labs, the makers of Naturethroid, WP Thyroid, and what used to be called Westhroid, has been around a LONG time. All are natural desiccated thyroid. meaning they are made from porcine powder and contain all five thyroid hormones, T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin.

And RLC is correct in promoting themselves as the “pioneer and industry leader in the field of hypothyroid treatment.1 They started out in the 1930’s, even though the pharmaceutical name was different for awhile, aka Western Research Labs/Laboratory.

A change started in 2017 with WP

But in 2017, thyroid patients started to see both Naturethroid and WP Thyroid slowly or quickly run out in their pharmacies and on websites, and achieve backorder status. That problem persisted into 2018.

What caused this change? Patients reported that RLC stated it was due to needed machinery updates. But??

Mid-2018

Finally, in 2018, loyal patients excitedly reported the slow return of Naturethroid natural desiccated thyroid to their pharmacies.

But with that return came a growing body of reports from patients in many groups, including the Stop the Thyroid Madness Facebook page, that they were seeing a major return of their hypothyroidism on the “new” Naturethroid…rising TSH, low free T4, low free T3, erratic frees and TSH, fatigue, depression, dry skin or hair, hair loss, anxiety, lowering of iron or B12 or Vitamin D, stiff joints, pain, achiness…on and on.

And now come some reports of an adrenal problem after being on the new Naturethroid

What are adrenal problems? It’s finding oneself with either low cortisol, high cortisol, or mixed highs and lows–any can be the result of the adrenals trying to kick in due to the return of hypothyroidism on Naturethroid. Some proved it by doing a saliva cortisol test,.

Thus, as they have been moving over to NP Thyroid by Acella2, or Armour second, or the two T4/T3 synthetics or T3….they have problems raising any of them, or problems being on the same amount. They then blame the different NDT, T4/T3 or T3-only, which instead is just the latter now revealing the cortisol and/or iron problem!!

But I feel good on the new Naturethroid!

Yes, there have been what looks like a minority who state they feel “good” on the “new” Naturethroid. But what we noticed over time is that a certain body of those came back and said they started to feel the problems creeping up on them. Here’s the string to talk about your experiences with the “new” Naturethroid:

https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/2018/05/16/naturethroid-wp-thyroid-rlc-labs/

What about WP Thyroid?

The end of 2018, especially December and when I am first writing about this, is where reports started trickling in that WP Thyroid was making a comeback in certain pharmacies.  Questions about it have surfaced, such as “Is it going to be lousy like Naturethroid has been for so many of us?”, “Can we trust RLC?” and “Do I dare try it when I’m now doing well on NP Thyroid or Armour?”

One person reported directly to me that the bottle looks the same, the label looks the same, the ingredients look the same.

What we want from you!!

This will be YOUR STTM blog post to comment on your experiences with the “new” WP Thyroid…now and the longer you stay on. Let us know if you note any differences in the pills, in the smell, in the results. Let’s share patient-to-patient and learn from each other…which is STTM’s purpose!!

Note: by using the word “new” in front of Naturethroid or WP, it is just a reference to coming out again in 2018. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Footnotes:

1. https://www.rlclabs.com/about.php

2. https://npthyroid.com/

Important note: STTM is an information-only site based on what many patients worldwide have reported in their treatment and wisdom over the years. This is not to be taken as personal medical advice, nor to replace a relationship with your doctor. By reading this information-only website, you take full responsibility for what you choose to do with this website's information or outcomes. See the Disclaimer and Terms of Use.

117 Responses to “Let’s talk WP Thyroid–not the old one….the NEW one recently coming out!”

  1. Angela F Frye

    Just a reminder that we still have a petition up at MoveOn.Org to RLC Laboratories respectfully requesting that they respond to patient complaints and inquiries regarding recent negative experience on both Nature-throid and WP Thyroid…NOw at 224 signatures….Please sign and share..https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nature-throid-and-wp

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  2. Carol

    I took 1 1/2 Armour for years before it became cost prohibitive. I switched to 130 mg Naturethroid. Labs have been good for a number of years and were great in May 2018, but by mid December 2018 and a retest of TSH 1/4/19, my TSH is 11.76. My T4 and T3 levels are still in range. I found your website and learn there is a problem with NT. I have a fairly new primary and he wants me to take synthroid which I do not want to take. I have a consultation with him 1/14/19. After reading all these posts, I just dont know what direction to go nor a comparable strenght of NDT to discuss with my doctor. Your help is appreciated. I am fully aware synthroid is the drug of choice among most doctors. I have done pretty well on NDT since 2002. Obviously, the NDT shortages and apparent reformulation of NT have thrown many of us into somewhat of a crisis.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      NP Thyroid by Acella has been the first choice. Armour the second choice. And you may have to call around to get the NP Thyroid–lots of demand for it. And remember that optimal will always put the free T3 towards the top part of the range and the free T4 midrange. Both.

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    • Lana

      I’m actually doing very well on NP having not been able to get NT. I take it sublingually and my hair has stopped falling out.

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  3. Carol

    Is anyone noticing a terrible taste /extremely dry mouth using NatureThroid? I switched from Armour because it was causing anxiety/heart palpitations although I did really well on it for years.

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    • Tavus

      I had extremely dry mouth with nature thyroid in the beginning , then hot flashes and rest f bad things came along after 1 1/2 i stopped and moved to Armour

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  4. GWEN

    I picked up my WP today. The color looks the same but the smell is different… more of a chemical smell. Last March, I couldn’t get WP.
    I changed to NP and within a week I could barely walk and felt terrible. My Doc changed Nature thyroid and I did better but starting in October, I started having weight gain and by end of December … my symptoms were terrible.. Hypo returned… brittle hair, aches and pains, tired, and have gained 12 pounds. I quit taking it for 2 weeks. My weight stablized but joints hurt. Guess I’ll try WP… but very afraid to try it.

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  5. MP

    LAB RESULTS ON NEW WP:
    In November, these were my results on one grain of Naturethroid (felt hypo):
    TSH: .185
    Free t3: 3.3
    Free t4: 1.14

    Current results on 1.5 grain of new WP (felt hyper)
    TSH: 1.00
    free t3: 2.6
    free t4: .96

    * I was feeling so bad that I took 1/2 grain for two days preceding bloodwork, and nothing the day of bloodwork.
    *my numbers were stable and I felt great for several years on one grain (some days less) of the old WP.

    What the heck is going on? Went off WP and am taking some old armour I have until I can get compounded NDT. Feel way better off the WP

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  6. Morgan

    Just to give everyone a heads up. I went to pick up my Armour Thyroid today and the price has increased again. 90 tablets for $150.00. I hope this new one is cheaper than Armour Thyroid because I can’t keep paying this amount of money each month. I will have to ask my Endo next time I go.

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    • Zela Smith

      It was announced on NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt that many prescription drug prices were increased at the first of the year. He mentioned Armour thyroid

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  7. MP

    Wish I had better news….

    I’m at the one month mark with the new WP, and not doing great. I felt good the first couple weeks, and have slowly been deteriorating since. Feel hyper mixed with hypo. Ugh. Having labs done soon and will update with results. Anyone else?

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    • Timaleigh Vest

      I am at the one month one week mark (5 weeks) with NEW WP. This months batch is much better for me “so far”. I believe the pills this month are better. My energy and my temperature maintenance have improved in this first week on my second batch. These pills have a slightly stronger pig smell than last months NEW batch. I will not have new labs till next month. Still on the fence because I have a new disturbing symptom of twitching that just popped up today. So hoping that goes away tomorrow.

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      • Rita

        Timaleigh, where did you buy your WP? At a local pharmacy, or a national chain? I haven’t been able to find it in my city in NJ.

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        • Timaleigh Vest

          Hi Rita I received my WP thyroid from the pharmacy CVS. I had alot of trouble getting it too. I found out from a manager at another store that someone at my local CVS pharmacy was actually deleting my WP thyroid prescriptions. For now I know RLC is shipping one grain “65”. I dont know that they are shipping any other dose than that at this time.

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  8. Sarah

    Just started the “new” WP two days ago. It definitely smells different than the old one. It smells like a mixture of smarties candies and new plastic. I am still taking the old formula that is about to or already expired and I am doing half and half until it runs out. So hoping the change in smell does not correlate with change in my symptoms. Barely hanging on as it is.

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  9. Timaleigh Vest

    Hi Janie this is interesting she talks about RLC labs and WP towards the end. She went to the lab herself.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ia-9eyVnKmE

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Thanks Timaleigh. Everyone, skip to one hour to hear her remarks about RLC/Naturethroid/WP. You may, or may not, agree with what she says or what was told to her. I did like the info about the pigs, batches, Alberta Canada, etc. This was recorded in October and does not fully address the problems many have been reporting about Naturethroid, and is before WP came out, which this string is about i.e. WP.

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  10. housemaid

    Got an email from GoodRx listing popular drugs which went up in price over 6% this year. WP thyroid was at the top of the list going up 55.8%. I thought I remembered RLC Labs saying that they wanted to keep price increases to a minimum for their customers. This hike was way above the second drug on the list which went up by 30.8%. https://www.goodrx.com/blog/2018-in-review-goodrx-prescription-drug-prices/

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  11. Mary Jo

    I have been on nature throid for several years. Last batch is making me feel sick with headache and blurry vision. Would I be better off switching to NP or Armour. Price does not matter just my health and feeling better. TT back in 2015 no cancer on 2 grains 130 mg.
    Which should I try? Calling my doctor tomorrow to switch.
    PS waiting on lab results I just had drawn. I had no idea it was the nature throid causing these symptoms

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      NP. And if any pharmacy says they can’t get it, give them Acella’s phone number. Look up Acella Pharm.

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      • Ellen weir

        I can’t get naturethroid now. Think it wasn’t working anyway. Am on 17.5 of HC. Pharmacy has NP. Should I start up today with same amount as I was on naturethroid?

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          That has proven to be a huge mistake! NP is a far better and thus more powerful NDT than the new Naturethroid has been. So patients are starting much lower than their original Naturethroid amount, and doing labs in a few weeks and tweaking if necessary. P.S. you do know that 17.5 HC has never been enough for the majority who needed HC, right? Women start on 25 mg, then start doing their DATS to find the right amount. Chapter 6 in the revised STTM book.

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      • Ellisha Hellums

        Janie,
        My pharmacy called ….Acela told them no !!

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    • Jeffrey

      Great info, thanks for that link!

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      • DWAYNE DUELL-WAITE

        I was having the same issues with Naturethroid. Switched to armour and feel amazing- blurry vision is now gone.

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  12. Timaleigh Vest

    Its been two full weeks Ive been on 130 mg of the NEW WP switching from 120mg of NP. I am finally beginning to lose weight effortlessly and clothes are getting looser and I am not bloated like I used to be. But weight loss, softer hair, better digestion are only three things better on WP. Here is a list of my NEW side effects on the NEW WP
    1) dry skin
    2) occasional headaches
    3) occasional insomnia
    4) my long distance vision is worse and seems blurry
    5) moody
    I had none of these symptoms on NP but NP made me bloated and I gained weight and couldnt lose. I loved how NP made me feel. Definitely not getting that “NP good vibe feeling” yet on the NEW WP.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Thanks for reporting back. Can you do your free’s and tell us about those, too? And how much are you on? Is it possible you are just underdosed?

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      • Timaleigh Vest

        Thank you Janie
        I am taking two 65mg of NEW WP daily totaling 130mg daily. This is the most thyroid medication I have ever taken. But I am post menspause now so I know this plays a part. However YES to your question because I do “feel” underdosed currently and believe I am because of some of my symptoms. I will get my frees done in 5 weeks and will report back then.

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    • gumbo

      I briefly (and I mean for a few days) tried NP because of all the good reviews and I could not take it. The maltodextrin and dextrose used in it were a killer for me. I bloated up within a day and had the terrible aftertaste in my mouth. FYI, side effects of maltodextrin which is used in NP may include allergic reactions, weight gain, gas, flatulence, and bloating….

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  13. Megan

    During the WP shortage, I traveled around to different states and cities picking up whatever small amount of WP each pharmacy had left in stock. With a lot of time and trouble, I was able to stay on it the whole year. The problem is that that old batch has now expired so even if I wanted to continue the search, it’s all been disposed of.
    I switched to the new WP immediately when RLC began shipping, exactly 3 weeks ago today. At first I felt fine, which is unusual for me if a med isn’t going to work. I can usually tell with certainty by day 3 if my levels are dropping fast. I briefly tried Naturethroid in the last year and felt like death by the 2nd day.
    Then after a week symptoms started returning slowly, but I kept making excuses for them. Maybe the excessively dry skin was just from the fireplace being on. Then more hair falling out, maybe it’s just a coincidence or the dry air. Then the sore throat, maybe I’m getting a cold. Then on day 16 I started getting really intense heart palps and a resting heart rate around 90, I thought maybe I drank too much kombucha. But finally the crippling fatigue and anxiety began. Then the weird rash I get on my legs when my t4 is low. I’m still waiting for my lab results to be sent to me, but these are my telltale signs of hypo.
    The pills are also much harder and smell different. It is clearly not the same formula and it blows my mind that RLC keeps posting that the formulas of both medications have not been altered. Is that even legal? It’s certainly not ethical. I’m considering sending one to a biochemist to have it tested because we can’t just let this company get away with this. Especially when they’ve decided to double the price.
    I don’t know what to do now. I’m going to be sick on Christmas and it’s getting worse by the day. My doctors will not be in the office for days to write me an Rx for a different med. I guess I will have to try NP whenever I can get ahold of someone.

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  14. MP

    Janie,

    I have a question about dose raising. I am titrating up to my former WP dose. I notice that when I go past one grain, I get a high heart rate. I can’t really feel it, but my Apple watch puts me in the 90s. Otherwise, I feel good and hypo symptoms are going away. Have you seen this increase in heart rate diminish once your body adjusts to dose? I would like to get back up to my old dosage of WP that I did so well on.

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  15. Sandra

    Hello Guys, here’s a post from a potential WP Thyroid customer from oversees, namely Germany. I’ve been waiting for a whole year now to be able to order WP Thyroid, for reasons you all know. When RCL posted the update on their website concerning the comeback of WP Thyroid in November 2018, I was thrilled and contacted several international pharmacies in Germany. Most of them told me it is still not available for them to order, but there were a few who told me they would order the WP Thyroid for me but when they told me the price I was absolutely shocked. The price has literally doubled. In November 2017 I ordered it for 47 euros (100 Tablets of 1 grain) (the order was canceled later on for obvious reasons) and now in December 2018 they charge 97 Euros! It’s mind-boggling and no decent explanation comes to my mind why they rise the price about 100%. I feel that RCL might scent big profit from the reintroduction of WP Thyroid since the demand for NDT ist raising worldwide and I find it morally at least questionable to charge twice the price now from people who they know are dependent on a true and pure NDT product (since most products on the market have unessessary harmful substances in it, even Nature Throid). I am really disappointed now because I dont know how to afford around 600 Euros or even more every single year from my own pocket, just to finally be able to “recover” as best as possible from my hypothyreosis. I am on T4 and T3 combination therapy now (T4 only made me close to fatally ill because I am one of the individuals that can’t produce T3 in their body cells by themselves – but literally no doctor here knows about this common condition in Hashimoto’s patients (it concerns around 18 percent of all patients). But I still have the worst metabolism, muscle weeknees, hairloss, fatigue, bad immune function and so on so I really need to change to NDT. I even don’t know yet if WP Thyroid would be working for me individually and thats why I additionally hesitate to invest around 100 Euros just to test the product. I think I will wait for more customer/patients rewievs to come out what the new WP Thyroid is like, and if it is at least as good working as the “old” WP Thyroid was. The user DelAnn here in this thread talks about how the new tablets have a coating on them now, does this new ingredient show in the ingredient list and what exactly is it? Can please someone answer to the question if the new tablets are partable with a knive or a razor blade? Or are the tablets too hard now with the new coating on them? Thank you very much, and please keep on posting your experiences with the new WP Thyroid please.

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  16. Glenn

    Just started WP yesterday…after a year long struggle with NT. I went to NT after 90 days on WP before it became unavailable. Was doing pretty well with energy and weight and vision improvements. My nurse practicioner got me a 1 year supply of NT(only size bottle that was available) when WP became unavailable so never really went with the new NT. My labs show normal but high RT3 (ratio (freeT3/RT3) was 9 when I started and worked up to 14) and took a while to get started on thyroid…no endo would prescribe. Too soon to tell on WP…was using srt3 to force a better rt3
    which worked to a point and then stopped. Pushed srt3 but did not work…body and T3, T4 always readjusted. Dosage seems the same on WP as the old NT. Trying without SRT3 to see if WP alone will make me happy. I seem to have trouble with fillers. Will let all know how this proceeds on WP.
    Was working my way higher till WP became unavailable.

    Old NT gives me backache and some joint pain

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  17. Dana

    From RLC website FAQs today – is this information outdated?:

    Q: My pharmacy said WP Thyroid or Nature-Throid is on backorder or is discontinued. What should I do?
    A: Neither medication is on backorder or discontinued, and all strengths are available. If you’re having trouble finding WP Thyroid or Nature-Throid, contact RLC Labs at 877.797.7997 or sales@rlclabs.com with your pharmacy’s information, so we can help them order your prescription from their distributor.

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  18. Dana

    The RLC availability page is no longer there, and the web site seems to indicate that all strengths of WP are now available. Has anyone been able to pick up different strengths? My Walgreens says that their distributor can get the half-grain after Jan 21. Thanks.

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    • Dana

      Please disregard; the RLC availability update page is back up, stating only WP Thyroid 1 grain (65 mg) is shipping.

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  19. Rita Woodard

    Those of you who are able to order WP Thyroid are fortunate to have the option. I want to try it, but can’t find it at a pharmacy near me in NJ.

    Perhaps today’s frustrations are a reminder for me to chuckle more. When I step back, the absurdity is almost comical.
    – One clerk had the nerve to tell me there’s no such medication as WP Thyroid.
    – A large chain said I have to provide a prescription before they can tell me whether they can order the 65mg WP Thyroid.

    I needed a good chuckle today…

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    • astra

      I got a similar response when I asked a large chain whether they could order NP. I’d have to give them a prescription and then they’ll see! No thanks.

      This is the same chain that doesn’t tell me a med is backordered… they just keep pushing the pickup date/time back further and further. Eventually I call them, and they tell me they don’t know when I’ll get it. *rolls eyes*

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  20. housemaid

    I have been pretty happy with NP thyroid. After really suffering for almost a year, my hypothyroid symptoms went away one by one. However, there is one big symptom that has remained, and that is the 30 lb. I gained after being without WP. Some others here have mentioned that they have not lost weight on NP, either. When I first started on WP a few years ago, I lost weight easily and quickly. So yes, I would go back to WP again if it would solve my weight gain problem.

    Right now WP is only available in the one grain size, 65 mg. I checked Good Rx and was unhappy to see that all the local pharmacies show a price of about $91 for 180 of them. They don’t list a regular store price, so it looks like you get no discount having the Good Rx card. The price for 180 of the stronger dose (90 mg) NP thyroid averages $50 with a Good Rx coupon. With my Good Rx Gold card ($6 a month), I was recently able to buy 300 of the 90 mg NP thyroid pills for about $58 at CVS. There is no discount for WP at any drugstore, even with my Good Rx Gold.

    So it looks like WP prices have almost doubled and NP is much cheaper now than WP. I will wait and see if anybody starts losing weight on WP (who didn’t on NP) before I fork over the extra money for WP. I will also wait until they have the 2 grain pill available, as it might be more economical. I guess if you are lucky enough to have drug insurance that pays for WP, you don’t have to worry about the price.

    I noticed that Health Warehouse, a mail order pharmacy in KY, is saying “market shortage” on the 65 mg WP pills. They, too, will be charging $90 for 180 pills when they get it in stock. It looks like RLC Labs has fixed a price for all pharmacies to charge for WP as if it were a brand name drug. It is still cheaper than Armour. I wonder how long NP will be available at a bargain rate.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Very interesting. Thank you for all you stated.

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    • housemaid

      Whoops! I made an error on the price I paid for the 300 NP thyroid tablets with the Good Rx Gold card. It was $88, not $58. Still a lot better than the price for the new WP. I wonder if NP is available in the 130 mg size. Good Rx shows that size as a choice for NP, but the Acella website doesn’t mention that size.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        The 130 mg size is equivalent to the 120 mg for NP Thyroid.

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        • housemaid

          I get confused with the NP being a slightly different strength than the WP. So the 120 mg size of Acella NP is available? I will get that size in the future unless I hear that WP is working well and people are losing weight on it. I hope the 2 grain WP is available soon and more reasonably priced than the 1 grain.

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  21. Ceemor

    I went to my local pharmacy yesterday to pick up a 2 months supply of compounded natural thyroid pills only to find that the price had increased astronomically. It had almost doubled. I’m now going to be paying almost $100 a month for my two times a day 60 mg pills. I used to pay a little over $50. My pharmacist said the price of natural thyroid has doubled and that they can’t even get Naturethroid, in their shop. She said all natural thyroid is in short supply…I’m not sure why because pigs certainly are not in short supply (I live in a rural area by hog processing plants…so don’t say it’s because of some hog flu). I think they are trying to shut down our access to natural thryoid as a choice…they as in big pharma but…who knows.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      I’m thinking it’s more about huge increase in demand thanks to STTM and all who use it’s information (without having the integrity to give it giving credit).

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      • Barbara

        Janie, can’t argue with your supply and demand comment, but I’m with Ceemor — I think Big Pharma / FDA is gunning to get rid of NDT. My insurance (Medicare Advantage policy) dropped Armour from its formulary 3 years ago, but even when it was in the formulary, it was cheaper and less hassle to pay out of pocket.

        A pharmacist told me yesterday that some insurance companies who do have it in their formulary will only allow if patient fails 2 different brands of synthetic T4 product first. Bass ackwards!

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    • mp

      How do you like the compounded nDT? Thinking of moving to that.

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  22. Betsy

    Hi Janie,
    I’m sorry if my question isn’t in the right thread, but I’ve been asking everywhere on FB or looking for a way to contact you. I was considering doing a consultation, but I just have one question. I’ve been one of the ones sticking it out with NT through the change from last year. I have a horrible time adjusting to thyroid meds. Recently I have been crashing on the new NT and considering just bitting the bullet and changing to NP. Reading through your site and my labs I realize that my iron, B12 and D are low.
    My question is do I raise these first before changing to NP, or can I just start addressing all of them at once? I’m currently on 4 grains of NT figured I’ll continue the same on NP.
    I wanted to try this on my own and if I run into trouble I figured I can request a consultation.
    I’m definitely not willing to try WP.
    Thanks!

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      We try to work on issues at the same time. And no, when changing from a problematic NDT to NP Thyroid, we start much lower on NP Thyroid. Plus we need time to get the iron up before raising a lower dose of NDT like NP, otherwise our RT3 will go up.

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  23. Luz

    I started taking Nature-throid in February after I ran out of WP Thyroid. I started taking the Nature-throid sublingually and began developing stomach pains sporadically. I didn’t realize it was the Nature-throid that was causing the stomach pain until I stopped taking it sublingually and the pain went away! I began developing hypo symptoms on the Nature-throid and increased my dosage by one grain, increased 1/2 grain in my morning dose and 1/2 grain in my afternoon dose. I started developing hypo symptoms (dry skin, dry hair, hair loss, weight gain, etc.) My Free T3 and T4 were still low even on this higher dose so I asked my doctor to switch me to the NP Thyroid. Once I started on the NP Thyroid, the hypo symptoms started to slowly go away. I’ve been on NP Thyroid for 3 months and I have never felt better. My lab work came back great! (Free T4 in mid-range and Free T3 in upper range; Free T3/Reverse T3 ratio above 20) I also lost 6 pounds! To say that I’m really disappointed with RLC Labs for their shady practices, is an understatement!! I won’t touch the new formulated WP Thyroid with a 10 foot pole! Good Luck everyone!

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  24. Hadassah

    Janie , Thank You so Much for being a *Great Advocate* for us the thyroid patients who depend for NDT for their wellbeing . For those of us who did well on NT and can Not tolerate fillers made from corn I understand is in the NP what are the other alternatives ? Armour is so prohibitive because of the high cost . Synthetic T3 is not an option for me . I did not do well with it .
    Thank You in advance .

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      First, tell me what happened with synthetic T3….

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      • Hadassah Gellis

        Hello and Thank You Janie for getting back to me . I was on synthetic generic T3 and had instead of palpitations I had surges . It felt very uncomfortable . Now with RLC doing it’s number on us and causing blurriness in the eyes . I don’t know what fillers they are using to cause this ? Janie would you have any ideas how I can get T3 and feel well too ? I would greatly appreciate it .

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  25. Timaleigh Vest

    Had Hashimoto’s/thyroid issues for life I am 47 years old and just started treatment the past 13 years. I have been on Synthroid,Tirosint ,Armour,compounded synthetic and natural thyroid,Synthetic T3. I had been taking NP thyroid 120mg since last spring. I wanted Wp thyroid but was only able to get a one month supply last spring because of the backorder. Being on WP the old batch was the best month of my adult life. It felt like the old Armour thyroid before the switch. Then I switched to NP thyroid and decided to wait it out until WP’s back order issue was fixed then I would switch toWP. Fast forward to now I have switched again and been on the new WP thyroid for 5 days. My dose was lowered by my doctor for no reason. It was lowered from taking 120mg if NP to now taking 1 and 1/2 pills of 65mg daily which is roughly 95mg of WP thyroid daily. I felt terrible for first 4 days so today took 130mg of WP thyroid. I can’t keep abody temperature and feel like I can’t hold my body up, heavy limbs,dizziness. Dry and blurry eyes, Fatigue, Thirsty and have had severe crying spells. However my stomach bloating has gone down from theNP thyroid. Not sure what to do at this point? Wondering if I should wait it out in the WP and perhaps in time I’ll feel better after I adjust. Or what todo? Nothing seems to really work that well for me and if it does they change it. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you in advance.

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    • gumbo

      What is it in the NP that is causing the bloating? I just started trying the NP and have been having that ever since I started it…but I also have the bloating in my face which I did not have on Nature-throid.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Here’s what we see in patients reports so far:

        1) The majority of people who might have a different reaction to using a different NDT need to check their free T3 and free T4 on the different NDT (after a few weeks on it) to see if it’s optimal, or not. Optimal for years seems to put the free T3 towards the top and the free T4 midrange. Both. If they are lower, one can still be hypothyroid..thus the reaction.

        2) Another lab to check on a different NDT is the RT3. It should be in the bottom two numbers of any range…very occasionally the 3rd from the bottom. If it goes any higher, the RT3 is causing a problem. Causes range from inadequate levels of iron, to inflammation, to an infection, to high cortisol, etc.

        3) One should check their 4 iron levels (with a focus on the serum/total iron, even though the other three iron labs are needed) and their cortisol. Sometimes, the serum/total iron has fallen and the different NDT is now revealing that fact more than the former one. This page explains where optimal is for either: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values This page has Discovery Steps to see if the different NDT is now revealing a cortisol problem: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info

        Or one can see good or high iron with a low ferritin, and that points to a methylation problem…meaning one is actually in a low iron state because it’s not being broken down. This page is a start if the latter is revealed: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/mthfr

        3) Next comes the fillers for very sensitive people–it’s the less common reason, but should be considered if someone has had sensitivities before. In NP, they are:

        Calcium Stearate
        Dextrose
        Mineral oil (pharmaceutical grade and teeny tiny amount)
        Maltodextrin

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        • Timaleigh Vest

          Thank you Janie! Gumbo I feel it was the fillers in the NP that were causing the bloating in me because my numbers and blood were being closely watched and good on NP. Honestly I liked the NP if it wasn’t for the weight gain and bloating I would not have switched again. My face bloating has gone down too in the 5 days of taking the NEW WP. I also noticed my skin started breaking out pretty badly from the NP which I am pretty sure was from the mineral oil. I have had that issue with mineral oil my whole life. I am feeling a bit better tonight on the NEW WP still just 5 days.

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Also consider trying taking NP Thyroid

            with betaine or lemon juice in a drink. That could possibly lesson bloating…

          • Timaleigh Vest

            Thanks Janie I eat a 100% fruitarian diet until 2:00 pm. After 2:00 pm it is gluten free vegan. Nothing I have tried has helped me with the bloating and weight gain and recent break outs(I use Retin-A) on NP. My dose on NP was optimal too. NP is a good medication overall. It felt consistent to me and I felt good emotionally. But I did gain 10-15 pounds on it and had a fluffy gut which I have never had a gut in my life even when I was 40 pounds heavier.

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Just be sure you were optimal on NP though. We all feel good on non-optimal amounts which can cause symptoms, and eventually backfire with worsening ones due to suppression of the feedback loop. Not discounting it could be fillers, but trying to get you to cover all bases, just in case. http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/feedback-loop

  26. Angie F.

    Attention to those following the WP & Nature-throid issues. Just another reminder that we have started a petition at MoveOn.org a few weeks ago and are now as of a couple of weeks ago, perhaps coincidentally or not, finally starting to receive some updates from RLC, the most recent of which was yesterday (12/10/2018)..Please if you have not done so, take the time to sign it at this link…https://petitions.moveon.org/sign/nature-throid-and-wp.fb50?source=c.fb&r_by=3013015&fbclid=IwAR0prKLXpWXbLRbfgpO-Us9EcGary9Oh0V3H8upxvfE9I6Bt21CCFPXjm50. Also..Note that yesterday’s update included once again stating that WP 1 grain is now shipping AND that many strengths of Nature-throid are now in production. They also state for the first time publicly via their website that no “formula changes” have been made..Don’t need to point out the obvious…both that pts experience say otherwise and that “no formula changes” is not a categorical denial of no changes period…I am in hope that the seeming interruption in production on both products may indicate an attempt to correct whatever the problem or problems may have been…I guess we’ll all soon see!

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  27. Marty

    So I guess a question would be (sorry submitted before I asked this question) should I try raising the synthetic dose to see if they will take care of the increase in symptoms or change to WP and see what happens. How do I make the decision and how to I know the dosage. When they moved me from the NDT to the synthetic they equaled the dosage to be what it was on the NDT. Should it be higher just because?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      I can only speak for me personally, but I would fight to feel better first, which raising the synthetics until labs are optimal will do. Optimal has always seemed to put the free T3 towards the top part of the range and the free T4 mid-range. Both. The problem with moving to WP is that experiences are too early to know if it’s going to result in the same problems that Naturethroid has for patients. And also note: you have to be careful at first listening to patients. The small body that have said they feel good on the “new” Naturethroid…now we’re seeing some of them state that no, symptoms have been creeping up on them. For some, feeling good can be the result of the body producing extra adrenaline as a result of actually still being hypothyroid on Naturethroid. So they get fooled. The true test of ‘feeling good’ is where the labs fall. If those labs aren’t optimal, it will eventually backfire no matter what NDT we are on.

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      • gumbo

        While I don’t doubt that SOME patients may not be doing well on Nature-throid, the continued Nature-throid bashing is very troubling…because not ALL patients are doing poorly. I was doing just as well on the new Nature-throid as the old and my recent lab results demonstrate that. I have been forced to try NP and AM NOT doing as well as I was before. Everybody is different. The patients you are hearing from are the ones that are having problems….you cannot state this is the majority of Nature-throid users. My pharmacist told me they have a lot of Nature-throid users trying to get the drug that can’t. If they all felt horrible on it, they wouldn’t still be wanting to use it.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          I think you need to consider changing your perspective. This is not bashing not is it discounting that “people are different”. This is reporting what seems to be going on. To the contrary, the amount of those who have posted and have seen a return of hypo appears to be much, much higher than those who are posting and feel they are doing well. And even some of those who reported doing well came back and reported they were starting to not do well. All that has been enough to speak of what is going on to let people decide, or let others find out why they suddenly were having problems…but weren’t putting two and two together.

          And if you feel that you didn’t do as well on NP, time to do labs and see why. Granted, there do appear to be some who react bad to fillers, but there seem to be more that just aren’t optimal, or the NP is revealing a cortisol or iron problem—the latter which cropped up for many by being on the “new” Naturethroid.

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          • Jeffrey

            NP is revealing a “filler” problem also which rarely gets mentioned. I thought this thread was for new WP updates? …..looking forward to new WP!

          • Janie Bowthorpe

            It is supposed to only be for WP. I’m going to mention about that at the top of my blog post.

  28. Marty

    I have been on NDT for years, compounded at Women’s International, 1/2 grain, twice a day. This fall, all desiccated thyroid recalled, they put me on synthetic T4,T3, compounded the same as my NDT. Weight gain, dry itchy skin, mood, nervous, not sleeping, horrible fatigue, blurry vision. No problems on the NDT. TSH went from 1.2 to 64.3. Was told by WI that synthetic needed to be raised. Really? Anyway, they have suggested moving to WP because of the lesser amount of fillers (the reason I always had it compounded, in one drop of olive oil, never an issue). The more reading I do, the more I get confused. I do not know where to turn. Thoughts? Suggestions?

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  29. Jessica

    Ah shoot, I’m just about to change providers to look for one who will actually prescribe NDT and not “bio-identical” T3/T4 but now I don’t know what to ask for! I don’t THINK I’m affected by fillers, and I don’t generally get any hypo symptoms (none that I can identify anyways), which makes it hard for me to figure out dosage. What would you guys ask for to get started??

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      NP Thyroid continues to be a reported favorite because it seems to work well for the majority. The more expensive Armour is second, especially if you don’t feel you are affected by fillers. How we start, raise and what optimal ends up being is outlined here: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101

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    • Pat Davenport

      I’m now having similar issues on NPthyroid that i experienced on Naturethroid. I transferred to Naturethroid when Wpthyroid was unavailable. I did well until they changed their formula. I experienced heart palps that eventuslly lasted all day. I had a little WPTHYROID left so switched back and in 2 days the heart palps went away. So i then switched to Npthyroid and have been doing well on that ip until last month. I’m wondering if NP changed their formula. The heart palps could also be due to my compounded t3. Im checking to see if my pharmacist changed that but the palps seem more related to my last prescription of NPTHYROID. I have checked the inactive ingredients on line and it looks like there may have been an ingredient change but the links i found are not dated. This is what one page says WPTHYROID now contains. MINERAL OIL (UNII: T5L8T28FGP)
      CALCIUM STEARATE (UNII: 776XM7047L)
      DEXTROSE MONOHYDRATE (UNII: LX22YL083G)
      MALTODEXTRIN (UNII: 7CVR7L4A2D). Isn’t thst different from what it used to contain?

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        Question: you put “This is what one page says WPTHYROID now contains…” Do you mean NPTHYROID (by Acella)? Here’s what I have for NP on the Armour vs Other Brands page on STTM:

        Other Ingredients include:

        Calcium Stearate
        Dextrose
        Mineral oil (pharmaceutical grade and teeny tiny amount)
        Maltodextrin (in older versions of Acella; newer versions may have this removed),

        So not seeing a change. You probably need to study this page: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me

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  30. Rosanne

    First, being unable to get either Westhroid or Naturethroid last spring and summer really threw my body for a loop.
    I have not felt right since then, and the Naturethroid I am currently taking is not relieving my low thyroid syptoms at all.
    Plus, my pharmacist has to dole out my prescription in different increments because–low and behold–THERE IS ANOTHER
    SHORTAGE OF NATURETHROID. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Might want to count the Naturethroid shortage as a blessing when it’s been causing a awful lot of people to see a return of hypo symptoms. NP Thyroid is doing a much better job as an NDT. We’re waiting to see if the “new” WP will be good or like Naturethroid…

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  31. Emi2Earth

    Hi all,

    I have never been so happy than I was to see WP Thyroid come back on line. I have been on it about a week now when this post hit my email. And have some info to share about my terrible year and experiences of other Desiccated Thyroids while waiting for it to return.

    I am exceedingly sensitive and react to all fillers and over the last long hear have been on Armour, a Compounding Pharmacy Thyroid, and then Acella NP Thyroid.

    With the Compounding Pharmacy I experienced heart palpitations, and low T3 and great fatige. I also noticed, and my Dr. saw, a strange but strong increase in peripheral blue and red veins in my ankles, and I had a high SED Rate, showing inner inflammation occurring.

    I moved next to Armour, and the T3 stayed low and the heart palps continued, even with adjusting the dosage there was fatigue. Then over to Acella, and the vessels remained, and the SED Rate stayed elevated. But I did have less fatigue and the T3 rose to normal levels, no heart palps. I called Acella about the inflammation, and found that the “small amount of mineral oil” they add—(Mineral Oil is not to be ingested as when it was used as a bowel laxative we found it is harmful to our bodies, as it does not break down, but hangs out, coating our cells, and clogging up their ability to work properly) ——ends up coating each and every particle of the Desiccated powder. How? And Why? do they use Mineral Oil at all in NP Thyroid? I asked management, after being transferred from a pharmacist: They add Mineral Oil to their large mixing vats, before adding the Thyroid powder— because it keeps the powder from clumping together, and adhering to the walls—of the vats, while they spin it rapidly, and add the filler. So the vats stay easy to clean! I asked about using a vegetable oil as Mineral Oil is not absorbable by our bodies, and he said, “Mineral oil is used to lubricate machines. That is why we use it. We would have to completely clean the vats each time so the vegetable oils would not get rancid.”

    In other-words—-the Thyroid powder, and all filler ingredients, in NP Thyroid, become completely coated with the “small amount of Mineral Oil”… intentionally used for this purpose, and they know it does not absorb…. And these coated with oil particles are admitted into each cell of our bodies as they deliver the Thyroid… and end up not processing well, and potentially lead to inflammation in our system.

    Also, I have been meaning to write and ask if anyone here has noticed a strange odor in their noses, that smells like the Acella NP pills smell? Kind of rancid? I noticed when I went on it and as long as I was on it. Now the odor has completely disappeared on the new WP Thyroid. I attribute this odor to the Mineral Oil that coats the lining — of even my nose—and has some fine particles of Desiccated Thyroid powder inside it.

    Also about the enlarged leg veins and elevated SED Rate: I called Armour and Acella, and they both said their product comes from pigs raised in the U.S. but were not able to tell me if that meant—from Puerto Rico. And after the storms there, I am not certain about the condition of the animals are that are being raised there— It has been scientifically proven that animals who are stressed while being raised —or while being killed —have various hormones/chemicals released into in their tissues, and that these are toxic and carcinogenic to us.

    I forgot to add that while I had been using the Compounding Pharmacy, adding only Organic Rice Flour as the filler, it caused my T3 to go south… it turns out that when the Desiccated Thyroid powder became scarce, they were using Thyroid powder imported from Thailand and China, and who knows what was being added or cut into that.

    So as of this moment, I am back on WP. I have been feeling good. Better than on the others. And I will keep you posted. Please note: I would go on the artificial T3/T4 at this point, but not with acacia, or microcrystalline cellulose as fillers, and who knows the source of the T3/T4 at compounding pharmacies?? And ideas about this are sought and welcomed. As well as your experiences.

    all the best,
    Emi

    Emi Miller, RN, HN-BC, NCCAOM, ABT, L.Ac, ND

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Hi Emi. Actually, the odor is just like years of other NDT’s and the porcine. It will occur when there’s not an excess coating on the pill. The former Armour (before Forest was acquired a few years ago) used to smell like that.

      Keep us informed if the “new” NP truly gets you out of a hypothyroid state plus achieves optimal levels, the latter which is a free T3 towards the top part of the range and a free T4 midrange. Both.

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      • Janie Bowthorpe

        BUT…the “new” WP is now stated by one commenter on here to have an odd chemica-like smell instead of the common “pig” smell, which is an odd discovery.

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        • Emi2Earth

          Hi Janie, Yes, I am very familiar with the odor of the uncoated pills, as I have taken them for years. What has never happened to me before using the Acella, NP Thyroid, is that all day and all night long, every single breath, the odor was noticeable in my nostrils. There was no escaping it. It smelled really bad, and bothered me constantly. That is what has disappeared since stopping NP Thyroid, and getting back on the WP Thyroid, very thankful about this…

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          • Janie Bowthorpe

            Luckily, that must be very rare, as I have never had anyone state the same. Hopefully you fully understand the issue with iron and cortisol, too, as explained on the iron and cortisol page, just in case. We’ll also hope that WP is what is was before for you.

        • Timaleigh Vest

          My NEW WP Thyroid does not have the same smell as the porcine old WP and old Armour. It smells of very very porcine and faint chemical smell.

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  32. Artie

    I have not tried WP Thyroid, yet, but I have used both Armour and NP Thyroid, and my experience with these NDT products came after years of using Synthroid only. My conclusion is that NDT products, regardless of the manufacturer, cannot be relied upon to have the same amounts of T4, T3, calcitonin from pill to pill much less batch to batch. I fully agree with Janie Bowthorpe that one’s iron, cortisol and other factors will affect how one responds to a given dose of any NDT product. The problem, as I see it, is that there are significant differences in potency that make it essentially impossible to know precisely how much thyroid hormones one is taking, and causing users to attribute symptoms of hypo- or hyperthyroidism to the brand name or claimed dosage. I was happy with 90mg Armour thyroid for two years until my pharmacy could no longer refill my prescription. I started NP thyroid when the Armour ran out, and the first week was a hyperthyroid, jittery mess. I eventually found a dose of NP that was half of the ‘claimed’ dose of Armour. I suspect that users of NDT will always have to adjust their dose to compensate for differences in manufacturing and thyroid material used.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Artie, it’s honestly not as you are portraying it, i.e. significant differences in the potency. I have been on NDT for 16 years now. I have been on the old Armour for several years, was also on the old Naturethroid a short while, was also on the former Erfa about 1 1/2 years and now on NP for several years. And I have had the exact same good results on all of them. < ----again, the exact same good results on all of them. If on NP you felt hyperthyroid and jittery, it's about what it was revealing (usually iron and/or cortisol problem, or chronic inflammation, etc), not what are presuming as to "significant differences in potency". Read this page more fully and with an open-mind: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/iron-and-cortisol

      Now with the current Naturethroid, we are not being told what is different and causing so many to see a return of hypothyroid symptoms. Are they using a Chinese source? Who knows. But with NP, it’s working beautifully and has for a few years now.

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      • Artie

        “If on NP you felt hyperthyroid and jittery, it’s about what it was revealing (usually iron and/or cortisol problem, or chronic inflammation, etc), not what are presuming as to “significant differences in potency”.

        I guess I could quibble about the definition of “potency” or attribute the differences to absorption, conversion or even changes in my own body chemistry, such as iron, cortisol, inflammation etc. The unmistakeable evidence for me was changing to NP after years on Armour: the very first dose on the first day of NP was a profound difference from all the years of daily doses of Armour that preceded. I have read the pages you suggest multiple times, and as I said before, I don’t doubt that iron, cortisol inflammation etc. levels play a role here. In short, it wasn’t my body chemistry – iron, cortisol – that changed the day I switched to NP from Armour. You’ve written extensively about the changes in Armour composition, fillers, binders, etc, and how people have reported that Armour seemed to have changed, and that hypo symptoms returned after being on Armour for a while. It seems obvious to me that all NDT products are not created equal, that is to say that one 90mg tablet of Armour IS NOT equal to one 90mg tablet of NP, WP or any other NDT product. You’ve said as much yourself. I’d love to see a chemical analysis of all the NDT products, showing the levels of thyroid hormones and fillers, binders, etc. I’m sure that no two pills would be the same.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Artie, not saying that all are exactly equal with the same mg in different brands. It’s obvious some can be different, possibly due to fillers…but that’s also not because there are “significant” differences in desiccated thyroid. I’m saying that all too often, it appears the majority of reactions are due to iron and cortisol. And part of the problem is that when someone changes from a known weaker or problematic brand (like Armour has been for some, and definitely as Naturethroid has been this year) to a stronger more reliable brand (like NP), yes, they can have reactions due to the former brand causing iron or cortisol problems one wasn’t catching, and which the better more reliable brand reveals.

          But again, if you strongly feel that it’s a reaction to fillers, we do hope that the new WP counters that for you.

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  33. Cheryl Peters

    I’m on WP, since I’m off bio identical hormones, it’s taking me a while to get my Thyroid back up, plus I’m taking steroids for spinal stenosis. I have gain 5 lbs. not liking it.

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  34. MP

    I’m a week in and feel awesome! I was on Armour and had bad heart palpitations. For me, it seems to be the same as the old WP.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      Keep us informed, as we do feel better at first on any NDT, then it can backfire unless we get to optimal amounts.

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      • MP

        I’ve been on them all. Started out on Armour (did okay), switched to old WP (did great), switched to Naturthroid (didn’t do well), back to Armour (did okay), now back to WP.

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  35. gumbo

    I do not understand the controversy….the proof is in the pill. This is a company regulated by the FDA. They are selling a product that is required to meet certain standards and they must disclose the ingredients. If there is so much certainty that they are not selling what they claim why has noone proven it by having the pills analyzed? If they are selling a product that is not what it claims to be, they should be shut down. It seems to me that this may be a smear campaign by more expensive suppliers since noone has been able to supply any evidence that the pills are faulty. Why not? That is the proof….not someone’s test results that may be impacted by other factors…the proof is in the pills. that is it.,

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      gumbo, the evidence is in what appears to be quite a majority who have seen their hypothyroidism come back.

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      • gumbo

        I have been on Nature-throid before and after. Same results. I am very distressed that I am forced to pay 2-3 times as much for an alternative medication that I may not do as well on because I cannot find Nature-throid anymore. The people that are doing well are only speaking out because they cannot find it and are forced to use something else – if they weren’t doing ok on it they wouldn’t be looking for it in the first place…my problem is that I can no longer get it….and the first thing I see when I get on Armor and NP’s website is a banner stating that they are not on backorder. We all know by now how easy it is to create false facebook and twitter accounts to influence people….so that goes back to my original statement…the proof is in the pill…that is really all you need.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          gumbo, I don’t know about Armour, but it’s true what Acella is saying. They are not on backorder. They are just being slammed, but are doing a good job trying to keep up. And it’s also true that Acella’s NP Thyroid has been an excellent NDT for folks, as many are reporting.

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    • P. Susan Nosko

      It is NOT a smear campaign. I was on the OLD Naturethroid and felt great. Got on the NEW and felt crummy. Now I have to add some T3 to my regular Naturethroid dose. They definitely changed something!

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  36. Sofia

    I have been having problems lately while being on NT for several years. Now I’ve read the STTM blog and comments and it made it more clear what the problem is.
    I have low iron probably because of the “new” NT. Janie, you say NP will work if you have optimal iron and cortisol. How do I get my iron back up? I would like to try new thyroid meds.

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  37. DelAnn

    DelAnn
    December 9, 2018

    3 days ago I got my script filled for the “new” WP that has currently been shipped out. First thing I noticed when opening the bottle is that it did NOT have that , what I call, “piggy, fishy smell”. I have always taken WP under my tongue, sublingual. So here I go, I put the first dose right under my tongue then , I immediately tasted some kind of unidentifiable weird chemical like taste. The longer I held it there the worse it tasted. Eventually the longer it tried to dissolve under my tongue, the taste got so bad, it was all I could do to keep from spitting it out. Since I’ve only been on this “new” WP for 3 days its too soon to know what symptoms may eventually come into play as it builds in my system, that is If I can tolerate the awful taste sublingual, or have to resort to swallowing (if I continue its use), which makes me wonder, if the taste is so bad sublingual, what kind of “possibly changed” ingredients are inside it. I have NO thyroid and believe me when I say I am very well aware of the smell and taste of desiccated thyroid meds, as I’ve been on almost all of them at one point in my life And I’ve always taken them sublingual. I switched to NP during this debacle with WP, and It has that “piggy, fishy” type smell and taste. So, right out of the shoot, this “new” WP is “different” in smell and taste, not only from other desiccated thyroid formulas I’ve taken but also the “old” WP. Obviously, to those of you who swallow the pill you will not experience the taste and smell, but for me, I don’t know what they did to it to result in smell and awful taste for taking it sublingual. My opinion on Formula change in “new WP”? As far as smell and taste, YES! Would like to hear if anyone else has experienced this on the “new WP”.

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    • Betsy

      Curious. Why did you switch to WP how were you doing on NP?

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      • DelAnn

        While on NP my hair started falling out terribly. I was brain fogged and super sleepy with no energy to the point of lots of naps, weight gain and heart high speeds to low speeds throughout the day. I think something (additives and fillers) in the NP caused weird symptoms also whether related or non related to my Thyroid condition ( I have no thyroid gland) where as my system did well on WP with only the 2 natural additives. And perhaps there was a little more “pig stuff” in one batch of NP and a little less in another ?, I don’t know. My labs were not consistent and I started having labs every month or 2 months. For instance, After starting NP within one month TSH jumped up to 11 from a below average range the month before while still on WP, Free t3 went from very high to mid range and no freeT4. It was a constant “up the dose, down the dose” for months with NP as nothing stayed stable. While NP did keep me alive, the symptoms I had from it did not make for a quality lifestyle and actually made me quite grumpy most of the time. While on WP I felt good, my dose was steady at 2 grains a day, Labs were good, I had no back lash from the two filler/additives and I did not have to put up with many of the symptoms of NP. NP just was not an “optimal” treatment for me so I was anxious to get back on WP. I’m 4 days in now on the “new” WP and I’m hoping works as good as the “old” did. Time will tell as it builds in my system.

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    • Janie Bowthorpe

      The taste you have described does sound pretty curious. I’m sure we’ll get more and more comments in from those who want to take the risk in trying the “new” WP. Luckily, if they don’t, NP Thyroid is being well-liked.

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      • DelAnn

        Janie, The more I have taken and tasted the “new WP” this week, I kept thinking I had tasted something similar to it but just could not put my finger on what it reminded me of. Then It dawned on me , It tastes similar to the glue on envelopes!!! (and NO I don’t go around licking envelopes on a regular basis But I do know that glue taste ha-ha). I think they changed the coating. And with no “piggy” smell (or taste) to it I really do think they put some kind of new tablet stinky tasting coating on it! It’s harder, and does not easy dissolve sublingual like the old either AND the whole tablet taste that way, so if they did use a new coating, it’s leaching into the inside ingredients, because none of this pill outside it and inside it taste like that old piggy taste. The whole tablet tastes the same broken down. In other words, a coating usually melts away to expose the inside ingredients and the two usually have a different taste. That’s the main difference so far that I’ve noticed, as to how good it is going to work, I’ll have to go by how I feel, and see what my next labs show when this one month supply I got is used up.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Whoa. That’s bizarre. Also remember that you also have to go by your frees, as we all feel good on too low doses, and it can eventually backfire! Get optimal!! 🙂

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      • Sandra

        Hello, if I am correct NP Thyroid contains “mineral oil” . For me personally products containing mineral oil would be the last choice from all NDT products available. Here’s the reason why: mineral oil itself is proven to be cancerogenous and I am thinking who in the world would deliberately add mineral oil to any food or oral medication. It’s not a big problem if you ingest it very rarely and in very very small amounts but if you take it daily with your medicine it builds up in your body. I just don’t get it why they don’t use a stable vegetable oil instead of mineral oil in the product.

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        • Janie Bowthorpe

          Sandra, first, they use “food grade” mineral oil according to the USP standards. So far, there’s no strong evidence that food grade causes cancer in the least. Second, what is considered safe as food grade is a teeny tiny amount in the pills. It’s not like chugging down non-food grade mineral oil. And…vegetable oil can be unstable over time. There are so many risks out there far far greater than the teeny amount of food grade mineral oil they use.

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  38. Susan

    My dr put me on Naturethroid but he only started me off at 1/2 of a grain and wouldn’t raise the dose unless I went in for more labs and another office visit. My temps were 97.0 in the morning and started to increase but then a few weeks later, I felt more hypo and my waking temps had dropped down to 96.7.

    I decided to stop the Naturethroid and wait until my December appt so I can get the correct starting dose and to be sure that I could increase my dose if needed. I plan on tracking my temps and pulse to see how I am doing. I know after reading the complaints on the Naturethroid, I will not be asking for a refill on that.

    Time will tell!

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