Hashimotos – The Autoimmune Thyroid Attack
Did you get a diagnosis of autoimmune Hashimoto’s disease, or someone has just suggested you might have it??
It’s a very common cause of thyroid problems, and can also be called Hashi’s or Thyroiditis. See here for a more thorough explanation of thyroiditis.
What is Hashimoto’s?
Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, aka Hashi’s, is an autoimmune version of thyroid disease based on a dysfunctional immune system, i.e. your thyroid is being attacked by your immune system via antibodies, attempting to destroy your gland as if it’s some vile enemy.
It may start out silently, but the attack will eventually cause inflammation and gradual destruction of your thyroid gland and can go on for years with miserable side effects to match. It can also cause nodules or swelling in some.
Hashi’s may be the most common thyroid disease, especially with women, but probably not quite s high as 90% as some claim, but still a high percentage. Gut problems can go along with Hashimoto’s disease, and should be addressed, as they will make your Hashi’s worse.
Another theory promoted by Dr. Alexander Haskell is the other way around: that the thyroid first becomes inflamed due to being hypo and the excess production of the TSH, which then leads to Hashimoto’s in those susceptible. What causes the inflammation? One reason might be low iodine, as well as poor levels of certain minerals such as selenium, zinc, and iron. Even low vitamin D has been implicated in Hashi’s.
How do I confirm Hashi’s via labs?
In most cases, Hashi’s is confirmed by two antibodies labs, and you need both, not just one:
The first antibody, anti-TPO, attacks an enzyme normally found in your thyroid gland, called the Thyroid Peroxidase, which is important in the production of thyroid hormones. The second antibody, TgAb, attacks the key protein in the thyroid gland, the thyroglobulin, which is essential in the production of the T4 and T3 thyroid hormones.
Note: it is unfortunately common for a doctor to only do ONE test, which could look fine, yet the one your doctor didn’t order reveals Hashi’s. Thus, we as informed patients know we need BOTH tests. Also, if your doctor just chooses the TPO, there are other autoimmune diseases that can cause a rising TPO.
Have no antibodies but suspect Hashimoto’s by symptoms?? That’s called Seronegative Hashi’s. Many doctors do an ultrasound to confirm it. For more difficult-to-discern cases, doctors might do an FNA test (fine needle aspiration). They will look for “Hurthle Cells”, large granulated cells, which are associated with Hashimoto’s. But for most, an ultrasound works well.
What if my test results show “some” antibodies, but in the “less than” or “normal range??
Believe it or not, most people are going to carry some antibodies, as in that normal range, and it does NOT mean Hashi’s, as we have been seeing for many years now. These years of observations counter opinions out there, or those who say you HAVE to be at the bottom of the range. Why would we have “some”? Because one function of the immune system is to use antibodies in the removal of dead cells.
But if your “normal” antibodies are creeping up in that range towards the top end, time to practice good offensive strategies, like taking care of your gut health, avoiding foods you react to, treating any inflammation, moderating stress in your life, getting the right amount of sleep. Find “supportive” immune system supplements. Many of those normal or less-than results do not move up to having full-blown Hashi’s when patients take care of themselves.
Want to order your own labwork to discern if you have Hashi’s?? STTM has partnered with key lab facilities, creating the right ones just for you to discuss with your doctor.No prescription needed! Go here: recommended labwork
What are symptoms of Hashimoto’s?
Summary of graphic: Symptoms of Hashi’s can include poor stamina, easy fatigue, depression, feeling cold, gaining weight, dry skin or hair, lowering of voice and constipation. But it can also cause diarrhea, anxiety or panic, fidgetiness, feeling hot or cold, tightness in throat, inflammation, and thyroid nodules. You can be hyper-like one time, and hypo-like another time.
Why is it important to know if I have full blown Hashi’s?
As Hashimoto’s increases, you will tend to swing between hypo and hyper, making dosing by labs, and especially the TSH, impossible. Your labs will be high one time, and low the next…back and forth…causing some doctors to falsely proclaim you have a mental health “Bi-polar” condition. In reality, the hyper is caused by the release of thyroid hormones into your blood due to the destruction, or as an Australian patient calls it, the “yeeha” of her swing. The hypo is caused by the lessening function of your thyroid due to the attack. If you do have Hashi’s, you may have to insist to your lab-obsessed doctor to let you raise by the elimination of symptoms, not labs, due to this reality. Also, knowing if you have Hashimoto’s tells you that you may need to be on the watch for other immune problems, now or later.
Is it a good idea just to “watch it” as my doctor wants to do?
In the opinion of a large body of patients who followed this advice, “watching” your Hashi’s is akin to watching a dog chew off your leg. Allowing the attack to continue on your thyroid can not only last for years, but cause all sorts of problems along the way of its destruction, including adrenal stress or the autoimmune Celiac disease. And once you add adrenal problems to the mix, you’ve got more issues to tackle. Instead, why not just stop the attack and all the consequences, as explained below. Makes a whole lot more sense, says a patient who suffered through what she calls the “insane watching”.
Improving one’s gut health can also be a major factor in improving one’s Hashimoto’s, report many patients. Stop the Thyroid Madness has created a specific page on this topic with 10 gut health questions to ask yourself: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/10-gut-health-questions/
Are there some foods I should NOT eat with Hashi’s?
It’s going to be individual, but since Hashi’s is an autoimmune disease i.e. a wonky immune system that decides to attack your thyroid, there can be foods that aggravate your tendency with autoimmunity and antibodies. And some of those foods can increase INFLAMMATION, making your Hashi’s even worse. It’s never a good idea to have inflammation with Hashi’s!
Those foods include:
- Bread products and most grains (i.e. gluten, which is problematic for the vast majority with Hashi’s)
- Products which contain gluten
- Most processed foods
- Certain beans
- Dairy products, including milk and cheese
- Most nuts and seeds
- Soy products
- Nightshades like peppers, tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes, ashwagandha, etc
Will you react to ALL the above foods? No. Some react to some; some to others. And some individuals find they don’t react to hardly any foods. But if you DO react, you are promoting more inflammation! And the latter can promote your antibodies.
Also know that some people can reintroduce some food, though not all, a little at a time. If your reaction to foods is due to an allergy, those are not foods patients can reintroduce.
What are particular diet plans to help against inflammation and making Hashimoto’s worse?
So what do you eat? Learn about eating Paleo. The stricter form is called AIP, which stands for Autoimmune Paleo. There are many websites about it…here’s one
Less strict than AIP is just called the Paleo way of eating. It’s based on the idea of what “cavemen” would have eaten. Again, many websites about this, and here is one. Author Elle Russ has an excellent book about it.
Do I treat my Hashimoto’s with thyroid meds?
Because Hashimoto’s means a nutty attack on the thyroid, most end up with hypothyroidism. So the majority of Hashimoto’s patients still end up needing thyroid medications to treat their hypothyroid state.
And patients have learned that the best way is with natural desiccated thyroid, first and foremost. Or if there is a reason to not want pork, using both synthetic T4 and synthetic T3. Some who have a high RT3 (reverse T3) end up staying quite low with NDT and add in T3, or just T3 by itself. Here’s all about the use of T3.
The RIGHT TREATMENT, which isn’t T4-only, can help Hashi’s patients see the attack cease just from treatment alone, probably due to improvement of the immune system. Every cell in your immune function needs T3! Some doctors have unwisely recommended non-treatment until labwork “stabilizes”, but that could take months and years, and you continue to suffer.
BUT…to successfully raise NDT or T3, you have to have good amounts of iron and cortisol!! If you have bad reactions, it’s due to problems with either, NOT the medication in the vast majority of cases. Study: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me
Many patients have reported that selenium supplementation, up to 400 mcg, has helped, especially if you have high anti-TPO. Some patients have also reported that iodine supplementation outright lowered their antibodies–yes, you read that right, contrary to some who tell you no iodine. Low Dose Naltrexone has helped the more stubborn cases. See below. And of course, you have to take care of any gut problems!
REMEMBER: being on NDT, T4/T3 or T3 is about being OPTIMAL. It’s not just being anywhere in those ranges. It’s about being OPTIMAL in those ranges. And the TSH WILL fall below range, and that is NOT a problem as some doctors will exclaim.
For the inflammation caused by Hashi’s, patients might use good supplements like Curcumin, Ginger, NAC and more.
But my antibodies are going up with Natural Desiccated Thyroid…
Of course they will! Your body’s immune system is confused and thinks thyroid hormones are the enemy. But as patients persisted in raising to find their optimal dose, that rise stopped, and antibodies even fall for many! See the second section below. Those who have STUBBORN antibodies either use LDN.
I keep reading that we shouldn’t be on natural desiccated thyroid if we have Hashi’s. Is that true?
Not according to a huge body of Hashi’s patients who reported they have soared with NDT. Granted, patients have noticed that if they stayed on lower doses too long and/or didn’t raise high enough, quick enough, it fed the attack, not stopped it. You then have further swelling in your throat, or hair loss, or high anxiety, or a raise in your antibodies…and heightened hypo symptoms with a higher TSH. And doctors who aren’t knowledgeable about desiccated thyroid might put you back on synthetics, or take you off your meds completely. The solution discovered by patients is to raise the desiccated thyroid faster and according to the elimination of symptoms and NOT labs. Many seem to end up in the 2-5 grains area to stop that attack. This is where individuality comes in.
A caveat: some have noted that it will be impossible to raise well if you have developed a cortisol issue or low iron. Those need to be tested correctly and results understood. Also, many Hashi’s patients need to be off gluten, use selenium to help lower antibodies, or use Low Dose Naltrexone for more stubborn cases (prescription by your doc). Some patients report that their iodine use greatly lowered antibodies, but they needed to use supporting nutrients because of the detox.
I am swinging between hypo and hyper, and my doctor says I shouldn’t be on thyroid meds when I’m hyper. Is that correct?
The hyper when you have Hashi’s is caused by the die-off of thyroid hormones from the attack and their dump in to your blood. You also will swing between hypo and hyper as explained above. But to say you shouldn’t be on thyroid meds is wrong according to the vast experience of Hashimoto’s patients. You want to stop the attack and the swings, and the only way to do that is to be on thyroid meds, and raise high enough to stop the attack, which in turn will stop the hyper swings. You’ll have to fight your doctor’s tendency to hold you too long on each raise, or to dose you by the TSH or other labs.
Are their exceptions to the latter?? Yes, there are always exceptions, and someone may find the need to back off thyroid meds until they get past the thyroid hyper of Hashi’s.
What about Low Dose Naltrexone and Hashi’s?
Naltrexone is a an opioid antagonist, and when taken in low doses, has been found to elevate your endorphins, which in turn promotes better immune function. Thus, many Hashi’s patients report a lowering of their antibodies while using this medication. It may be challenging to get a prescription from your doctor if he or she hasn’t learned about the effectiveness of LDN, so you can refer him to this LDN science site.
The way it’s used by patients is to dissolve one 50 mg tablet with 50 ml of distilled water in an amber glass bottle. It has to be shaken before use. Using a baby medicine dropper, or even more accurate, a syringe, many patients start at 1.5 ml and mix it with water or juice. It’s taken a bedtime, since the best action occurs during sleep. Patients report vivid dreaming the first several nights, but it goes away. They slowly make their way up to 3 mg. The maximum is 4.5, but many like the results from 3 mg. Once antibodies fall, you may suddenly find yourself on too much medication for your needs. Check into LDN groups on Yahoo and Facebook. Read more here.
Is there a connection between pregnancy and Hashi’s?
Pregnancy can be a strong precursor to developing Hashi’s, since the increased activity of your immune system can either worsen an autoimmune disease you already have, such as thyroiditis, or cause it to appear.
Can I take iodine when I have Hashi’s?
If you hear or read someone state that all Hashi’s patients should avoid iodine, you might want to question other things you hear or read from that source. Because there are a strong body of Hashi’s patients who report doing quite well on iodine, and some outright report that it was their iodine use that lowered antibodies, even if others need extra help. Doing an iodine loading test can confirm if you have low iodine. And since iodine is the main component of thyroid hormones, plus has anti-cancer benefit, the use of iodine can be a wise decision.
For others, it’s trickier, since iodine can promote the detoxification of certain toxins like bromide, and this can exacerbate symptoms. And they wrongly blame the iodine, when it’s the detox causing issues. This is why it’s important to learn about companion nutrients to counter the die off. Bottom line, we let each person decide what is right for them.
What problems might go hand-in-hand with having Hashi’s??
Research shows there can be a strong connection between having Hashimoto’s disease and Celiac disease. Celiac disease is a autoimmune digestive disorder that results in an overreaction to gluten, a protein found in most grains like wheat, rye, oats and barley, which can be found in breads, cereals, pasta and many processed foods. The overreaction, in turn, causes autoimmune damage to the intestines, which results in poor absorption of nutrients. (Oats, which can be gluten-free, are often contaminated within soil where gluten grains were once grown, or in the processing facility).
Gluten can also trigger the very autoimmune reactions that cause you to have Hashi’s, since supposedly, the cells of your thyroid are similar to the cells of gluten, i.e. an attack on one is going to make your ripe for the attack on the other. As a result, some Hashimoto’s patients experiment with eliminating gluten from their diets, and with good results. Or, there are tests developed to help you figure out if you have Celiac disease, and the stool test is highly recommended.
What if I have BOTH antibodies for Hashi’s and Graves?
It’s called Hashitoxicosis.
This is a more difficult form of a thyroid autoimmune condition where you can have Hashimoto’s antibodies, PLUS an elevated TSI (Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulins)–the latter which is a member of the Thyroid Stimulating Hormone Receptor Antibody (TRAb) family, and which at least 80% of Graves patients can have. You can both hyper and hypo symptoms. Low Dose Naltrexone has been helpful for many individuals who have these antibodies.
1. Patients have learned that Hashimoto’s is not a condition you let take its course (as some doctors will recommend).
2. Treat Hashi’s by avoiding gluten (the majority need to). The inflammation that gluten can cause makes you worse!
3. If you react to certain foods, eliminate them, as that does make Hashi’s worse.
4. Do your best to lower stress in your life. It can cause Hashi’s flares, i.e bad symptoms.
5. Treat your hypothyroidism with the right meds, which are NOT T4-only. Learn about natural desiccated thyroid, or use T4/T3, or just T3.
6. If you react badly to NDT or T3, that’s about what it’s revealing. Learn: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me Plus more info about iron and cortisol here: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/iron-and-cortisol
7. If a doctor tells you that your Hashi’s is “mild”, yet you have a sore throat, swollen neck, or the sensation of “wow” one time, and “whoa” another, you are much farther along in the attack than you know!
8. Learn about gut problems you may need to address.
There is more on this in the revised STTM book.
Here’s a study that taking Selenium reduces the TPO antibodies, but it’s not recommended as a “replacement” for desiccated thyroid, but as an additional help.
Hashimoto’s vs Hypothyroidism diagnoses: what’s different and similar about them?
Pregnancy and Hashimoto’s
Interesting side note: Both Hashi’s and Graves disease (hyperthyroidism) can have elevated anti-TPO. “The frequency of elevated anti-TPO levels in patients with active autoimmune thyroiditis was 90% (clinical diagnosis Hashimoto thyroiditis) compared to 64% in patients with overt hyperthyroidism (clinical diagnosis Graves’ disease).” Pub Med article here.
(Important note: STTM is an information-only site based on what many patients have reported or learned in their treatment. Please work with your doctor. This is not meant to replace that relationship or guidance, and you agree to that by reading this website. See the Disclaimer.)
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