Hashimotos – The Autoimmune Thyroid Attack
It’s a very common cause of thyroid problems, and can also be called Hashi’s or Thyroiditis. See here for a more thorough explanation of thyroiditis.
What is Hashimoto’s?
Hashimoto’s Thyroiditis, aka Hashi’s, is an autoimmune version of thyroid disease based on a dysfunctional immune system, i.e. your thyroid is being attacked by your immune system via antibodies, attempting to destroy your gland as if it’s some vile enemy. It may start out silently, but the attack will eventually cause inflammation and gradual destruction of your thyroid gland and can go on for years with miserable side effects to match. It can also cause nodules or lumps in some. Hashi’s may be the most common thyroid disease, especially with women, though probably not as high as 90% as some claim. Gut problems can go along with Hashimoto’s disease, and should be addressed.
Another theory promoted by Dr. Alexander Haskell is the other way around: that the thyroid first becomes inflamed due to being hypo and the excess production of the TSH, which then leads to Hashimoto’s. What causes the inflammation? One reason might be low iodine, as well as poor levels of certain minerals such as selenium, zinc, and iron. Even low vitamin D has been implicated in Hashi’s.
How do I confirm Hashi’s via labs?
In most cases, Hashi’s is confirmed by two antibodies labs, and you need both, not just one:
The first antibody, anti-TPO, attacks an enzyme normally found in your thyroid gland, called the Thyroid Peroxidase, which is important in the production of thyroid hormones. The second antibody, TgAb, attacks the key protein in the thyroid gland, the thyroglobulin, which is essential in the production of the T4 and T3 thyroid hormones.
Note: it is unfortunately common for a doctor to only do ONE test, which could look fine, yet the one your doctor didn’t order reveals Hashi’s. Thus, we as informed patients know we need BOTH tests. Also, if your doctor just chooses the TPO, there are other autoimmune diseases that can cause a rising TPO. We have also noted that saliva does not always accurately detect Hashi’s as well as blood tests do.
Have no antibodies but suspect Hashimoto’s by symptoms?? Many doctors do an ultrasound to confirm it. For more difficult-to-discern cases, doctors might do an FNA test (fine needle aspiration). They will look for “Hurthle Cells”, large granulated cells, which are associated with Hashimoto’s. But for most, an ultrasound works well.
What is my test results show “some” antibodies, but in the “less than” or “normal range??
Believe it or not, most people are going to carry some antibodies, as in that normal range, and it does NOT mean Hashi’s…in spite of the highly opinionated opinions out there. Why would have we have “some”? Because one function of the immune system is to use antibodies in the removal of dead cells.
But if your “normal” antibodies are creeping up in that range towards the top end, do whatever you can to improve your immune system, just in case. Many of those normal or less-than results do not move up to having full-blown Hashi’s.
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What are symptoms of Hashimoto’s?
Summary of graphic: Symptoms of Hashi’s can include poor stamina, easy fatigue, depression, feeling cold, gaining weight, dry skin or hair, lowering of voice and constipation. But it can also cause diarrhea, anxiety or panic, fidgetiness, feeling hot or cold, tightness in throat, inflammation, and thyroid nodules. You can be hyper-like one time, and hypo-like another time.
Why is it important to know if I have full blow Hashi’s?
As Hashimoto’s increases, you will tend to swing between hypo and hyper, making dosing by labs, and especially the TSH, impossible. Your labs will be high one time, and low the next…back and forth…causing some doctors to falsely proclaim you have a mental health “Bi-polar” condition. In reality, the hyper is caused by the release of thyroid hormones into your blood due to the destruction, or as an Australian patient calls it, the “yeeha” of her swing. The hypo is caused by the lessening function of your thyroid due to the attack. If you do have Hashi’s, you may have to insist to your lab-obsessed doctor to let you raise by the elimination of symptoms, not labs, due to this reality. Also, knowing if you have Hashimoto’s tells you that you may need to be on the watch for other immune problems, now or later.
Is it a good idea just to “watch it” as my doctor wants to do?
In the opinion of a large body of patients who followed this advice, “watching” your Hashi’s is akin to watching a dog chew off your leg. Allowing the attack to continue on your thyroid can not only last for years, but cause all sorts of problems along the way of its destruction, including adrenal stress or the autoimmune Celiac disease. And once you add adrenal problems to the mix, you’ve got more issues to tackle. Instead, why not just stop the attack and all the consequences, as explained below. Makes a whole lot more sense, says a patient who suffered through what she calls the “insane watching”.
Improving one’s gut health can also be a major factor in improving one’s Hashimoto’s, report many patients. Stop the Thyroid Madness has created a specific page on this topic with 10 gut health questions to ask yourself: https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/10-gut-health-questions/
Are there some foods I should NOT eat with Hashi’s? What should I eat?
It’s going to be individual, but since Hashi’s is an autoimmune issue, there can be foods that aggravate your tendency with autoimmunity and antibodies. Those foods include:
- Bread products and most grains (i.e. gluten)
- Products which contain gluten
- Most processed foods
- Certain beans
- Dairy products, including mike and cheese
- Most nuts and seeds
- Soy products
- Nightshades like peppers, tomatoes, eggplant, potatoes, ashwagandha, etc
But do know that some people can reintroduce some, though not all, the above foods, a little at a time. So what do you eat? Learn about eating Paleo. Author Elle Russ has an excellent book about it.
Do I treat my Hashimoto’s with thyroid meds?
Yes, the majority of Hashimoto’s patients still end up needing thyroid medications to treat their hypothyroid state. Why? Because if raised high enough, especially natural desiccated thyroid or having T3 in one’s treatment, many patients see the attack cease just from treatment alone, probably due to improvement of the immune system. Every cell in your immune function needs T3! Some doctors have unwisely recommended non-treatment until labwork “stabilizes”, but that could take months and years, and you continue to suffer.
Many patients have reported that selenium supplementation, up to 400 mcg, has helped, especially if you have high anti-TPO. Some patients have also reported that iodine supplementation outright lowered their antibodies–yes, you read that right, contrary to some who tell you no iodine. Low Dose Naltrexone has helped the more stubborn cases. See below.
The attack can happen over a few weeks or extend into years. It has been stated that antibodies can be present for years even after you counter the attack with desiccated thyroid hormone. But patients on desiccated thyroid have noted that antibodies greatly fall if they dose high enough, since giving yourself back what your own thyroid gives you greatly improves your immune system!
For the inflammation caused by Hashi’s, patients might use good supplements like Astaxanthin, Turmeric, Ginger, NAC and more.
But my antibodies are going up with Natural Desiccated Thyroid…
Of course they will! Your body’s immune system is confused and thinks thyroid hormones are the enemy. But as patients persisted in raising to find their optimal dose, that rise stopped, and antibodies even fall for many! See the second section below.
I keep reading that we shouldn’t be on natural desiccated thyroid if we have Hashi’s. IS that true?
Not according to a huge body of Hashi’s patients who reported they have soared with NDT. Granted, patients have noticed that if they stayed on lower doses too long and/or didn’t raise high enough, quick enough, it fed the attack, not stopped it. You then have further swelling in your throat, or hair loss, or high anxiety, or a raise in your antibodies…and heightened hypo symptoms with a higher TSH. And doctors who aren’t knowledgeable about desiccated thyroid might put you back on synthetics, or take you off your meds completely. The solution discovered by patients is to raise the desiccated thyroid faster and according to the elimination of symptoms and NOT labs. Many seem to end up in the 2-5 grains area to stop that attack. This is where individuality comes in.
A caveat: some have noted that it will be impossible to raise well if you have developed a cortisol issue or low iron. Those need to be tested correctly and results understood. Also, many Hashi’s patients need to be off gluten, use selenium to help lower antibodies, or use Low Dose Naltrexone for more stubborn cases (prescription by your doc). Some patients report that their iodine use greatly lowered antibodies, but they needed to use supporting nutrients because of the detox.
I am swinging between hypo and hyper, and my doctor says I shouldn’t be on thyroid meds when I’m hyper. Is that correct?
The hyper when you have Hashi’s is caused by the die-off of thyroid hormones from the attack and their dump in to your blood. You also will swing between hypo and hyper as explained above. But to say you shouldn’t be on thyroid meds is wrong according to the vast experience of Hashimoto’s patients. You want to stop the attack and the swings, and the only way to do that is to be on thyroid meds, and raise high enough to stop the attack, which in turn will stop the hyper swings. You’ll have to fight your doctor’s tendency to hold you too long on each raise, or to dose you by the TSH or other labs.
On the other side of the coin, there are always exceptions, and someone may find the need to back off thyroid meds until they get past the thyroid hyper of Hashi’s.
What about Low Dose Naltrexone and Hashi’s?
Naltrexone is a an opioid antagonist, and when taken in low doses, has been found to elevate your endorphins, which in turn promotes better immune function. Thus, many Hashi’s patients report a lowering of their antibodies while using this medication. It may be challenging to get a prescription from your doctor if he or she hasn’t learned about the effectiveness of LDN, so you can refer him to this LDN science site.
The way it’s used by patients is to dissolve one 50 mg tablet with 50 ml of distilled water in an amber glass bottle. It has to be shaken before use. Using a baby medicine dropper, or even more accurate, a syringe, many patients start at 1.5 ml and mix it with water or juice. It’s taken a bedtime, since the best action occurs during sleep. Patients report vivid dreaming the first several nights, but it goes away. They slowly make their way up to 3 mg. The maximum is 4.5, but many like the results from 3 mg. Once antibodies fall, you may suddenly find yourself on too much medication for your needs. Check into LDN groups on Yahoo and Facebook. Read more here.
Is there a connection between pregnancy and Hashi’s?
Pregnancy can be a strong precursor to developing Hashi’s, since the increased activity of your immune system can either worsen an autoimmune disease you already have, such as thyroiditis, or cause it to appear.
Can I take iodine when I have Hashi’s?
If you hear or read someone state that all Hashi’s patients should avoid iodine, you might want to question other things you hear or read from that source. Because there are a strong body of Hashi’s patients who report doing quite well on iodine, and some outright report that it was their iodine use that lowered antibodies, even if others need extra help. Doing an iodine loading test can confirm if you have low iodine. And since iodine is the main component of thyroid hormones, plus has anti-cancer benefit, the use of iodine can be a wise decision.
For others, it’s trickier, since iodine can promote the detoxification of certain toxins like bromide, and this can exacerbate symptoms. And they wrongly blame the iodine, when it’s the detox causing issues. This is why it’s important to learn about companion nutrients to counter the die off. Bottom line, we let each person decide what is right for them.
What problems might go hand-in-hand with having Hashi’s??
Research shows there can be a strong connection between having Hashimoto’s disease and Celiac disease. Celiac disease is a autoimmune digestive disorder that results in an overreaction to gluten, a protein found in most grains like wheat, rye, oats and barley, which can be found in breads, cereals, pasta and many processed foods. The overreaction, in turn, causes autoimmune damage to the intestines, which results in poor absorption of nutrients. (Oats, which can be gluten-free, are often contaminated within soil where gluten grains were once grown, or in the processing facility).
Gluten can also trigger the very autoimmune reactions that cause you to have Hashi’s, since supposedly, the cells of your thyroid are similar to the cells of gluten, i.e. an attack on one is going to make your ripe for the attack on the other. As a result, some Hashimoto’s patients experiment with eliminating gluten from their diets, and with good results. Or, there are tests developed to help you figure out if you have Celiac disease, and the stool test is highly recommended.
What if I have BOTH antibodies for Hashi’s and Graves?
It’s called Hashitoxicosis.
This is a more difficult form of a thyroid autoimmune condition where you can have Hashimoto’s antibodies, PLUS an elevated TSI (Thyroid Stimulating Immunoglobulins)–the latter which is a member of the Thyroid Stimulating Hormone Receptor Antibody (TRAb) family, and which at least 80% of Graves patients can have. You can both hyper and hypo symptoms. Low Dose Naltrexone has been helpful for many individuals who have these antibodies.
Patients have learned that Hashimoto’s is not a condition you let take its course (as some doctors will recommend), but that you treat with desiccated thyroid, or at the very least T3 added to your T4. See the Things We Have Learned page. And during that treatment, you raise according to the elimination of symptoms, not labs. And if a doctor tells you that your Hashi’s is “mild”, yet you have a sore throat, swollen neck, or the sensation of “wow” one time, and “whoa” another, you are much farther along in the attack than you know! Also take the time to learn of gut problems you may need to address.
There is more on this in the revised STTM book.
Here’s a study that taking Selenium reduces the TPO antibodies, but it’s not recommended as a “replacement” for desiccated thyroid, but as an additional help.
Hashimoto’s vs Hypothyroidism diagnoses: what’s different and similar about them?
Pregnancy and Hashimotos
Interesting side note: Both Hashi’s and Graves disease (hyperthyroidism) can have elevated anti-TPO. “The frequency of elevated anti-TPO levels in patients with active autoimmune thyroiditis was 90% (clinical diagnosis Hashimoto thyroiditis) compared to 64% in patients with overt hyperthyroidism (clinical diagnosis Graves’ disease).” Pub Med article here.
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