What does pooling mean?
Years ago, we as hypothyroid patients due to any cause, noticed a phenomena we call pooling. It means T3 going high in the blood and not making it to the cells. Thus continued hypo symptoms. It’s usually due to a cortisol problem, whether too low or too high cortisol. Check out the information below and see what you think. ~Janie, hypothyroid patient and site creator.
Pooling means your free T3 isn’t making it well to your cells, and instead, is hanging out in your blood, going higher and higher as you raise your T3-containing medication like Cytomel (T3) or a working natural desiccated thyroid. It can even happen with T4-only.
You may or may not know it’s happening at first. But sooner than later, pooling can end up promoting excess adrenaline and hyper-like symptoms in some, or be silent in another. But the problem is that it can increase your hypothyroid symptoms.
What are symptoms patients experience due to pooling, which pushes excess adrenaline?
They are individual. Some people notice nothing. Some notice increased hypothyroid symptoms. Others notice symptoms such as anxiety, panicky feeling, jittery, shakiness, heart palps, higher heartrate, higher blood pressure, etc. Other issues can cause those latter excess adrenaline symptoms, too, but we do notice them when pooling, as well.
How have patients figured out they are pooling??
Exactly as explained above. First, especially on a dose of T3 that’s not very high, you may see a free T3 towards the top of the range (where it seems to end up when we are optimal on NDT, for example) or even way over range...YET, there will be continued symptoms of hypo or for some, symptoms of excess adrenaline for others. So though it “looks” optimal, it may actually be pooling.
Or we may see a high-in-the range T3 (or over) with a free T4 that’s lower in its range–the latter can be common, too, for pooling.
What causes pooling and what have patients done about it?
For most hypothyroid patients, the causes are pretty clear: inadequate levels cortisol first and foremost, usually too low cortisol, and even high. So we realize either of those will need to be discovered and treated. We find that the best is saliva cortisol, which is measuring what is available and unbound. Blood on the other is measuring what’s bound and unavailable and we have seen blood results to not always fit what our symptoms tells. You can click below to order a saliva cortisol test.
And when you get your lab results back, consider comparing them to the information on the lab values page. The latter is based on where patients fall who don’t have a problem. This may be information you’ll have to teach an open-minded medical professional.
Also accompanying pooling sooner or later, and if using a working Natural Desiccated Thyroid or T4 in your treatment, is rising Reverse T3 (RT3)–the inactive hormone that if in growing amounts, contributes to the “pooling” since it’s competing for the same cell receptors as T3, and blocking the door! T4 in higher amounts converts to RT3 if you have an iron or high cortisol problem!
A high FT3 will also mean your RT3 ratio can look good, but it may not be!
Do pooling and a high Reverse T3 come together?
Not always. From looking at each other’s labs, some will see pooling first without having an excess of RT3. Later, if they continue to raise NDT, the RT3 dominance can occur.
If I have no symptoms of pooling, yet it’s very clear with labs, do I not have a problem?
No, patients still see a problem and need to treat the pooling, we’ve discovered, which is usually always about a cortisol issue.
My doctor wants me to move back over to T4-only, claiming the T3 in NDT is just too much for me. Is that the solution?
Doctors don’t get pooling and what causes it. So they tend to send us back to an inadequate treatment with T4-only, which yes, can stop the pooling as well as uncomfortable symptoms of high adrenals. But we found it’s NOT the solution and only makes the reasons for your pooling WORSE.
What is the treatment solution for pooling, say patients?
First and foremost, patients report learning over the years to treat the causes of pooling by ordering a 24 hour adrenal saliva test, since low cortisol is a main reason. And we found repeatedly that the results have nothing to do with just “falling in the normal range”. They have to do with “where” in those ranges they fall. See stopthethyroidmadness.com/lab-values
In the meantime…
a) Some do fine keeping the pooling as it is, but they still need to discover and treat the causes. (NOTE: If the cause is low cortisol and you have to start on cortisol, you WILL have to lower the pooling, otherwise, that high T3 will RUSH into your cells causing hyper when you start on cortisol.)
b) Others go down on their NDT or T3 if they notice symptoms like adrenaline excess or other issues. They will go down sometimes more than half, allowing the pooled T3 to fall, and which can happen within a week if lowered enough…and may take longer to fall if one is only on NDT. Patients then report they can add back in a small amount of straight T3 (i.e. T3 to the lowered NDT they were now on, or T3 to the smaller amount of T3 they were now on), and raise in small increments to alleviate symptoms of hypo. How much added T3? 10 mcg T3 is a good starting dose to add back in, or half a 25 mcg tablet to equal 12.5 mcg if you only have the larger tablets. As symptoms of hypo return, patients may add smaller increments of T3. But it’s important to remember that your T3 will pool again if you haven’t treated the reasons for it, so judicious use of the added T3 is important.
c) Patients have also learned over the years, that if getting ready to start on cortisol in the treatment of low cortisol. it’s imperative to first get the high free T3 down, otherwise it will RUSH into the cells and cause hyper!
If saliva testing reveals low cortisol and I need cortisol supplementation, can I start on cortisol with that pooled and high free T3?
Well, what we’ve experienced the hard way is that the pooled high free T3 rushes into the cells like a son of a gun when cortisol is introduced. It’s the worst hyper from hell, say thyroid patients who learned the hard way. Hydrocortisone or Adrenal Cortex will finally enable T3 to get to the cells. So if free T3 is still high, it will RUSH in like the Dutch boy releasing his finger from the dyke. Thus, we lower the free T3 by lowering our meds before starting on cortisol.
We’ve learned how very important it is, before raising NDT or T3, to see where our adrenals stand (and all four iron labs) by comparing the results to the Lab Values page, then treating if we see a problem. Treatment of a cortisol problem is completely explained in chapters 5 and 6 of the updated revision STTM book.
**Read more about IRON AND CORTISOL. It’s important.