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7 examples of buffoonery from The Endocrine Society of Australia about desiccated thyroid

The Endocrine Society of Australia (ESA) came out with their final position paper on Natural Desiccated Thyroid. Ready to throw up at what many hypothyroid patients will state is overt ignorance and condescending arrogance?? Are we not surprised??

Below are 7 excepts from this position paper.

Please note: the following terms are referring to the same product: desiccated thyroid, thyroid extract, NDT, natural desiccated thyroid. By prescription, it’s usually porcine, but there are over-the-counter bovine versions. Thyroxine refers to T4-only, aka levothyroxine, one of five thyroid hormones and a storage hormone alone. In Australia, common brands are Oroxine, Eutroxsig and/or Eltroxin. 

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1) “Desiccated thyroid or thyroid extract is not a pure product, not approved by the TGA [Therapeutic Goods Administration], not available on the PBS [Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme], not produced by a pharmaceutical company, not subject to existing TGA regulations, has limited quality control, and is marketed as a “bioidentical hormone”, while “bioidentical” has been determined by the FDA in the USA as a marketing term.”

Now who wouldn’t want their meds to be pure?? But wouldn’t you love to know what their definition of pure is in their swipe of desiccated thyroid?  But ultimately, this negatively pudgy paragraph is only a set up for the rest of the paper, which is full of baloney statements.

2) “Is the reason some people fail to have complete relief of symptoms when tests show normal levels simply because there are other causes of fatigue, depression, and weight gain that are mistakenly attributed to the thyroid? Could a placebo effect explain the better relief of these symptoms from thyroid extract?”

Condescending ignorance to the max, say patients. For one, we know that “falling in the normal range” has nothing to do with it–it’s about where we fall in those ridiculous normal ranges that does have something to do with it.

And gee, funny that with an optimal amount of desiccated thyroid or T3 (along with good iron and cortisol levels, which is crucial), that “fatigue, depression and weight gain” goes away as reported by patients for YEARS.

And the TSH lab test, which we know is one of the labs being referred to, is useless while on desiccated thyroid–i.e. optimal, life-changing amounts of desiccated thyroid nearly always push the TSH quite low, which has NOT caused bone loss or heart problems (as a low TSH with Graves disease does). To the contrary, the right amount of desiccated thyroid has REPEATEDLY been known to improve bone and heart health in measurable outcomes.

Finally and more egregious, to use “placebo effect” as a way to explain the numerous and common positive effects patients get on desiccated thyroid is the height of condescending arrogance, many patients would exclaim.

3) “Despite claims of proponents that desiccated thyroid or thyroid extract are superior to thyroxine or combinations of T4 and T3 for most people with hypothyroidism, no controlled clinical trials have been published, and most endocrinologists are concerned that superiority is due to a placebo effect or an effect of overtreatment.”

Claims?? Since when are CLEAR and MEASURABLE health changes on desiccated thyroid by Australian thyroid patients (and worldwide) simply “claims”?? They include lowered cholesterol, better blood pressure, improved bone density, less weight gain (and in some, weight loss)…besides the obvious reported improvements in depression, better energy, softer skin and hair, removal of pain and so many more results.

And once again, the condescending conclusion that if one feels better on thyroid extract, PLUS has measurable changes, then SURELY it has to be in their heads and nothing going on physiologically. Let’s see, I’ve been on NDT for 15 years now, and if this logic is maintained, I have somehow continued to simply “delude myself” for a decade and a half that I have felt much better in my thyroid treatment THAT long…andddd somehow manipulated the measurable results in my health.

4) “Thyroxine is “Monitored; accurate and consistent “; Thyroid Extract is “Monitored; may be inaccurate or inconsistent” “

Yawn. The same weak and unfounded conclusions about desiccated thyroid we’ve heard before. Since when is giving us back all five thyroid hormones “inaccurate” or “inconsistent”? If it’s inaccurate or inconsistent, why have so many seen their lives change on NDT as they find their unique optimal amount, and for years?? If thyroxine is so wonderful, why do millions report continuing or worsening symptoms on the “accurate and consistent” thyroxine?

Oh wait, all of you whose lives have changed are just fooling yourself with placebo outcomes….

5) “The controversies surrounding the safety and efficacy of “bioidentical hormones” such as desiccated thyroid or thyroid extract illustrate the need for further scientific and medical scrutiny of these substances. Until such studies are completed, physicians should exercise caution when prescribing “bioidentical hormones” and counsel their patients about the controversy over the use of these preparations.” 

Really?? Is it SAFE to be on only one of five thyroid hormones when there are numerous reasons why the conversion to T3 can be blocked, either from the beginning or the longer someone is forced to rely on conversion alone??  See those reasons on this page.

Is it SAFE on thyroxine when so many see rising cholesterol, rising blood pressure, bone thinning, heart problems, and/or a lowered immune function?? The “controversies” are those manufactured by clueless Endocrine Societies, NOT by thyroid patients who worldwide have had lives changed on desiccated thyroid if they are allowed to find their optimal amount (which has to have good iron and cortisol levels).

And by the way, there is ALREADY science about the efficacy of NDT or T3 in one’s treatment…BESIDES that fact that a huge growing body of thyroid patients are reporting lives changed in totally positive ways.

6) “In general, desiccated thyroid hormone or thyroid extract, combinations of thyroid hormones, or triiodothyronine [T3] should not be used as thyroid replacement therapy.”

In other words, as the most damning, cruel and ignorant part of this statement, it’s saying that we, the Australian Endocrine Society, don’t give a damn if you are suffering on thyroxine…don’t give a damn if you have genetics which prevent the conversion of T4 to T3 and thus might need T3-only to reclaim your health and well-being…don’t give a damn if you have high RT3 on thyroxine that being on mostly T3 would lower…don’t give a damn if there are a huge growing body of thyroid patients whose lives have changed on thyroid extract (of which many changes ARE measurable)…and don’t give a damn that a healthy thyroid also gives people direct T3 and does NOT force people to live for conversion alone.

Oh and remember the reasoning above that desiccated thyroid is not pure–implying that thyroxine is…yet now we have a widening of the cruelty by lassoing in triiodothyronine (T3) as a product which IS approved by the TGA, yet now is also not recommended??

7) “A registry of adverse events related to the use of bioidentical hormone preparations, including desiccated thyroid or thyroid extract, should be supported by the TGA and could be managed by an external organization, as the TGA does not regulate or monitor these compounds.”

At face value, registering adverse events to any drug is a good thing.

Yet, we KNOW for a fact that most “adverse events” with desiccated thyroid are due to the FAILURE of doctors or research studies to understand that patients have to have the right amount of iron levels or cortisol when raising NDT to avoid those “adverse” reactions….just as patients should NEVER be dosed by the TSH “normal” range, which leaves patients underdosed and thus, continued or growing symptoms of hypothyroidism which could be termed “adverse events”.  Other situations which can cause “adverse events” with NDT include Lyme disease, chronic inflammation, and high heavy metals, of which of course, clueless organizations would simply blame the NDT instead of understanding the results of Lyme, inflammation and/or high heavy metals.

To see this position paper in its entirety: https://www.endocrinesociety.org.au/ESA_Position_Statement_%20Thyroid-Extract.pdf

Rattle, thyroid patients!! Speak loud and clear. Send the URL to this blog post to your private Facebook pages. https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/2017/06/27/7-examples-australian-endocrine-buffoonery/ Make this information even better by your informed comments here. Don’t be silent!!

BEST LIST OF HYPOTHYROID SYMPTOMS on the net (of which many occur while on thyroxine): http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/symptoms 

WHY T4-ONLY HAS RUINED MILLIONS OF LIVES over the decades: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/t4-only-meds-dont-work

WHY DESICCATED THYROID or even T3 added to T4 has changed lives and how: http://stopthethyroidmadness.com/natural-thyroid-101

TWO MOST WIDELY READ and LIFE CHANGING THYROID BOOKS: http://www.laughinggrapepublishing.com 

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Stupidity Award of the Year: the UK’s NHS states that T3 has “little or no clinical value”

The following Guest Blog post has been written by UK Thyroid Patient Carolyn and contributions added by Janie A. Bowthorpe

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Just when you think things couldn’t get more ridiculous….

Just a few days ago, the BBC reported that the National Health Service (NHS) of the United Kingdom has proposed that the medication T3-only, aka Liothyronine, has little or no value. Let me repeat: LITTLE OR NO VALUE.

The article also states: “The proposals could see an outright ban or tighter restrictions on some products being prescribed by GPs.”

Here’s the list, as reported by the BBC, of those they consider as low value medicines (and their annual cost to the NHS):]

  • £30.93m on Liothyronine to treat underactive thyroid
  • £21.88m on gluten-free foods
  • £17.58m on Lidocaine plasters for treating nerve-related pain
  • £10.51m on Tadalafil, an alternative to Viagra
  • £10.13m on Fentanyl, a drug to treat pain in terminally ill patients
  • £8.32m on the painkiller Co-proxamol
  • £9.47m on travel vaccines
  • £7.12m on Doxazosin MR, a drug for high blood pressure
  • £6.43m on rubs and ointments
  • £5.65m on omega 3 and fish oils

Also mentioned in the article after the above “low value” medications comes “suncream, cough and cold remedies and indigestion and heartburn medicines”. i.e. T3-only, which patients report has brought back MUCH better health, is on the same level as suncream.

The article states that the “NHS England confirmed the review would begin in April, but did not put any timescale on how quickly a decision would be made.”

Living in the UK as a hypothyroid patient

Those like me living in the UK and using the NHS (which by the way is not ‘free’, as we all pay into it through our taxes), appreciate that it isn’t a bottomless pit of money which can fulfill every single person’s desires. Some of the items on this list (see above) are easily and cheaply available over the counter in pharmacies and supermarkets.  I believe people also have a responsibility to purchase some things themselves rather than incurring the excessive cost of processing an unnecessary doctor’s prescription.

But T3 isn’t available over the counter, although it is in some other European countries.

The sole reason T3 is on this list at all is the cost. Just look at that amount of money: £30.93million annually— that’s a lot of money, and who wouldn’t want to save that.

But despite this drug called Liothyronine (aka T3) costing pennies to make, and costing a couple of Euros on the mainland, it costs over £9 A TABLET to the NHS. No wonder they don’t want to prescribe it.

A loophole in legislation around generic medicines has been massively exploited and the cost has been steadily increased by the sole licensed supplier. So rather than investigate that situation of being totally ripped off and putting a proper system of value-for-money purchasing in place, the answer that is being proposed is to withdraw T3. What a failure of proper management of resources; I expect better of my government officials.

I have friends with the genetic mutation which means they literally cannot convert T4 to T3, even before we get into the debate about T4-only thyroid hormone replacement detailed below. They are being condemned to a long slow death.

A health care system which is held up as a model for the rest of the world is going backwards.

We aren’t all able to change doctors and a private prescription would be prohibitively expensive for most people, even if the doctors working in the private sector would be prepared to step outside the cruel guidelines still in place for treatment of hypothyroidism in the UK.

I can only hope that someone listens to the cries of outrage following this proposal and takes some sensible action to correct this massive pricing discrepancy. Getting proper treatment with T3 or NDT shouldn’t be this difficult and is a false economy.

Before I was refused any treatment due to the guidelines, I was off work ill for months. I was working full time within weeks of starting Natural Desiccated Thyroid; back paying my tax and supporting the NHS.

Let’s talk a minute about T3

For those who might be new to this, a healthy thyroid produces five known hormones: T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. Those five hormones are a wonderful symphony of what makes a healthy thyroid function. (Chapter 2 in the revised STTM book gives excellent detail about all this)

And hypothyroid patients were treated with all five hormones from the 1800s onward via pig or sheep thyroids…until the early 1960’s when Knoll Pharmaceuticals decided to promote its “new and modern” treatment for hypothyroidism–T4-only. i.e. no direct T3. T4 is a storage hormone meant to convert to the powerful and health-giving T3. And everyone fell for this promoted fallacy that somehow, giving patients only one of five thyroid hormones was a hunky-dory way to treat hypothyroidism. (See Chapter 1 in the Revised STTM book! Learn the truth!!)

But they were dead wrong. T4-only, aka Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, Unithroid, Eltroxin, Levaxin, Norton, Eutrosig, Oroxine, or Tirosint, seems to have failed millions of patients in their own degree and kind, over the years, forcing all who are prescribed it to live for “conversion” alone. Yes, some do better than others! But the large amount of people who have NOT done well is profound….just as it’s profound how many T4-users report feeling far better when they added direct T3 in their treatment, or Natural Desiccated Thyroid.

My final message to the NHS

You are seriously wrong to state that the medication Liothyronine (aka T3) has little or no value as a way to cut costs.

Your conclusion means that you will end up subjecting your fellow UK residents to a lifetime of continued hypothyroidism thanks to being forced to live for conversion alone on levothyroxine as a sole treatment for hypothyroidism (See seven studies/articles at the bottom of this blog post). Your conclusion also seriously harms those who have the DIO1 or DIO2 mutation, which prevents these individuals from converting T4 to T3 adequately.

Get with it, NHS. Wise up. Stop this massive ongoing cruelty to thyroid patients.

UK THYROID PATIENTS: Share this blog post anywhere, everywhere. Let’s send a firm message to the NHS. Copy and paste: 

https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/2017/04/02/stupidity-award-nhs/

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RESEARCH SHOWING THAT T3 COMBINED WITH T4 GIVES BETTER RESULTS (from https://stopthethyroidmadness.com/medical-research):

  1. Here’s a study from 1996 which underscored that both T4 and T3 are needed to remove hypothyroidism: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8641203 (And it followed research from the previous year showing that T4-only did NOT do the job—see http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC185993/)
  2. As far back as 1999, the New Journal of Medicine reported superior results of a synthetic T4 and T3 combination treatment, especially on the brain and other tissues.  http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/340/6/424
  3. And another one titled Thyroid Insuffiency: Is Thyroxine the Only Valuable Drug,   http://www.encognitive.com/  Journal of Nutritional & Environmental Medicine (2001), 11, 159—166
  4. And here’s another one from 2009: http://www.eje-online.org/cgi/content/abstract/EJE-09-0542v1 (has a fee) but here’s where you can at least see the abstract: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19666698 They evaluated depression and anxiety rating scales as well as patients own preference.
  5. Also this one:  http://www.endocrine-abstracts.org/ea/0013/ea0013P316.htm
  6. At first blush, this Amsterdam study appears to give the same propaganda of T4 only. But as you read on, it mentions this: Third, recent animal experiments indicate that only the combination of T4 and T3 replacement, and not T4 alone, ensures euthyroidism in all tissues of thyroidectomized rats. From 2001, Developmental Endocrinology to Clinical Research: http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Aktion=ShowAbstract&ArtikelNr=48140&Ausgabe=227546&ProduktNr=224036
  7. John C. Lowe’s Four 2003 Studies of Thyroid Hormone Replacement Therapies: Logical Analysis and Ethical Implications  Excellent article (16 pages) about the efficacy of using T4 and T3 in treatment, and not using the TSH, and so much more.

 

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Canadian Thyroid Patients disgusted, frustrated and angry…and suffering.

Screen Shot 2015-10-20 at 1.47.36 PMO Canada! Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

Canada is a proud country situated just north of the United States with over 35 million residents. And when it comes to the nation’s healthcare system, Canadians have stated they prefer their public healthcare system over the US with a strong majority, ranging from 82% to 91%.

But….in a Gallup poll more than a decade ago, there were different statistics when it came to the “quality” of that healthcare i.e. only 52% of Canadians felt “satisfied” with the quality of the care, and only 13% said “very satisfied”.

So how do informed Canadian Thyroid Patients feel about their healthcare system and/or quality of care?

Understand that all Canadians, whether thyroid patients or not, obtain their healthcare via a publicly-funded system, which means most of the care is “free” when they get it! They obtain most services from private facilities or practitioners. In 1984 and under Pierre Trudeau, the government created federal quality standards of care, called the Canada Health Act. Granted, prescription drugs are not covered for most, nor is dental work or glasses. And there is limited coverage for one’s mental health issues or fertility issues. But on the positive side, all basic care is covered and free (including maternity care) and patients can choose their own practitioners.

So to find out how informed Canadian Thyroid Patients feel about their system and/or their care, I did an informal poll in the former Facebook FTPO Canada group with four questions, below, and some of the answers. Note that by “informed”, I’m referring to patients who learned the hard way that treating their hypothyroidism with one thyroid hormone (T4) was not the way to go, that there are far better tests than the TSH lab test, that there are clear thyroid symptoms that are ignored, and that they, as patients in Canada, care about far better ways of doing it all!

1) For your thyroid treatment only…do you feel that you’ve gotten excellent care? Why or why not?

  • No. The Endocrinologist I saw was horrible…didn’t tell me anything about my disease (Graves) just presented me with “the only” treatment (RAI)…to be followed by the wonder drug, Synthroid (also told me there were no other options).
  • I wish doctors were educated on Natural Desiccated Thyroid (NDT). The dr’s i have talked to about it have no idea what it is and when they look it up on their tablets, they say stupid things about it. One said its for pigs not humans; another said you could get MAD COW DISEASE!! Another one said he knew of one person on it that died of a heart attack!! Wow they need to be in the know. Education is the KEY. I wrote to ERFA and asked them about visiting these dr’s for an information session which I know the Synthroid reps do. They answered that they have a team but only a few dr’s in Toronto have been visited!! I’m seeing an open minded internist but she has no idea what to do with me, so I see a naturopath for help. Its frustrating that dr’s won’t order the blood work for the ND’s to help diagnose as that way it would be covered by OHIP, when the ND orders I have to pay. Annoying to say the least.
  • We are sick and helpless and they are keeping us sick by not helping us………..
  • No, they look at paperwork and if the numbers are within the range the doctor says they should be in you are fine. They never ask how you are feeling.
  • Terrible care. For 8 years, no doctor would pay attention to symptoms because my TSH was “normal”, even though I was at the high end of the Canadian range, which in my area was still higher than what the US now uses. They told me I needed antidepressants, not thyroid treatment. When I did finally get a couple of results higher than normal TSH, they ignored them, and I wouldn’t even know about those results if we didn’t have access to our online test results in BC.
  • No and also yes. No – not from Endocrinologists or GPs. Yes – from a Naturopath (ND). Endos didn’t run all the right labs, or ignored the labs and my symptoms. Naturopath treated me like a whole person.
  • No. Too much reliance on the TSH. Have clearly been hypothyroid since the mid-80s, but didn’t get treatment at all until 2011. Even then, my TSH was “normal”, but I was desperate and had a dr. willing to at least try me on a low dose since my TSH was near borderline.
  • No. Completely untreated, despite TSH of over 16 because he gets hyper symptoms with the lowest dose of every med (including NDT) and doctors either refuse to believe him or don’t know/can’t be bothered to work to fix it.
  • No. The answer was always another pill rather then believing me when I said I felt it was my thyroid was causing issues. It’s better now that I have a good ND…but he is still limited and get tired of going back and forth between docs to get answers.
  • They care about their numbers. Depression, weight, aches, pains, fatigue, hair loss….no one fought for me and my health. I was treated for symptoms of all the above but almost felt like (with what they implied) it was my fault….lack of exercise, not perfect diet, single mom (at the time so depression was put on that) it’s criminal really what they let things get to!!!
  • No, too many think it all revolves around the TSH
  • No, I didn’t get excellent care – even though I have a goiter on the left side and several nodules, one over 10 centimeters, and a biopsy to check for cancer, I still am not getting treated because my TSH is normal.
  • No, GPs are terrible and I only found a couple that would prescribe NDT, but have no idea how to treat, so useless! Same as the above, only Naturopaths and a few functional Doctors!
  • I have found most Docs I’ve seen…..and there have been a lot…..are completely ignorant about thyroid disease. They rely on TSH and Synthroid and know nothing about conversion issues, iron issues related to thyroid, adrenal issues or much else. They also know nothing about NDT or how to dose and what labs they should be doing. My two Naturopathic docs that I have used (because I could not rely on a regular MD or even a so called “Specialist” who was an Endocrinologist) are very aware of these issues thankfully. It took me many years to realize it was actually my Doctor’s lack of knowledge that was keeping me ill.
  • [And some simple “no’s”.]

2) Do you feel Canadian doctors “as a whole” are informed about proper thyroid treatment, or not?

  • No. My GP was concerned about all my symptoms but had no clue they were thyroid related. Oh, and if the UBC locums I’ve seen are any indication of the future, it’s not getting better.
  • No, I asked about NDT and she did not even know what I was talking about, nor did she know about Cytomel.
  • Not. Also, it’s a very big struggle to get anything except TSH tested.
  • I can’t really say “no” as I don’t think the issue is actually education. The bigger issue is that there is essentially only one insurance provider for each province – and since that provider is the gov’t the doctors are restricted in how they can treat. So even those educated or who want to go outside the guidelines aren’t able to do so (not like in the US where they can just be outside of all networks).
  • No. Just like drs in every other country, they’re all riding the utterly useless TSH and Synthroid train.
  • Hell no…..otherwise we wouldn’t be requesting ndt or endo referrals, blood labs and such. They made me to think it was in my head.
  • Not informed at all.
  • No, they are quite limited in their knowledge, it seems. 3 I haven’t found a good doctor yet – I’m in BC 5. I would like to see doctors be freed up to treat their patients based on their symptoms and not TSH.
  • [And some simply “no’s”]

3) What kind of doctor (specialty) in Canada do you feel gives you the best care as a thyroid patient..even if it’s not perfect, but better than others?

  • GP. I have seen him for over 20 years and he was at least willing to try something different and order the needed tests. He looked at the research I brought him and has even high-fived me about the progress I’ve made.
  • I finally found a naturopath that actually attempts to solve my issues. And he respected my wishes in terms of using natural thyroid.
  • Naturopath – unfortunately they can only prescribe thyroid meds in BC, and in Ontario once they can all get through the exam. See #2 – they can actually be outside the usual network.
  • Private integrative MD $$$ paid by cash out of pocket
  • GP
  • Maybe an ND? (still looking)
  • ND has more knowledge then ENDO/GP
  • Haven’t tried others (others said this)

4) For those who have experienced BOTH Canadian and US healthcare as a thyroid patient only: what did you notice about either?

  • Haven’t personally experienced but know many, many thyroid patients who do – and freedom of choice seems to be the thing Americans have that Canadians don’t. Also a LOT easier to order your own thyroid meds in the US.
  • [None of the other respondents have experienced both systems. Maybe you have who are reading this and can comment??]

5) What would you like to see changed in the Canadian healthcare system as a thyroid patient?

  • Better training. Make it less hard to get NDT…in fact, present that to patients as an option. Make all the tests available to everyone without fees so that we can correctly manage our disease. An understanding that as healthy well treated patients, we have much more to contribute to society as a whole…maybe if the ‘powers that be’ understood that, we could get better treatment.
  • I question the fact that we Canadians only have ERFA thyroid as an option as to the U.S. Having a few NDT manufacturers to chose from. In terms of our healthcare, yes we have free healthcare but since learning about NDT, I’ve had to put out hundreds because it seems the only ones willing to listen to our plight is functional or ND’s. I would love it if MD’s and endos alike stop looking at us like we have 3 heads and listen to out symptoms and relate them to thyroid.
  • There are epidemic number of people with this disease. They need to have specific clinics, so care is more regulated and specific
  • Better understanding of hypothyroidism and its treatment.
  • Discarding of TSH as “the test” for hypothyroidism.
  • Better understanding of Hashimotos, and readily available testing for it.
  • Doctors trained to give a full thyroid panel where the patient’s symptoms are ongoing and they cannot identify the cause.
  • Doctors trained to UNDERSTAND the full thyroid panel, hormone ratios, interactions with iron and ferritin.
  • Doctors educated about how some patients don’t correctly convert T4 to T3 in sufficient amounts. Removal of the vilification of NDT – let the patient choose, and try an alternative if the first choice doesn’t work.
  • Everything. I did not receive any help with my thyroid except given Eltroxin, a T4-only med. The doctors do not know anything about the thyroid and trust the lab’s TSH only. I have not seen or been offered to see any Endo and this has left me in years of depression, bone deep fatigue for years -approximately 20 years. There is no one to turn to and have to travel if I find one.
  • No more reliance on TSH, especially when initially determining if someone needs treatment and when they are being treated by any T3 containing meds including NDT.
  • None of them seem to get that a suppressed TSH is normal when treating with T3. Understanding that a lot of people with hypo even if they are deficient in T4 also can’t convert it to T3 and Synthroid treatment won’t help.
  • Most don’t even seem to understand T4 is useless until it is converted. For most people NDT or T3 only meds should be the first line treatment!
  • Even veterinarians don’t rely on the TSH test! Noticed some doctors of psychology seem to recognize TSH is an unreliable test, so not sure why MDs in Canada are relying on it. Treat according to symptoms with alternate testing to support care that is proven and helping over 300,000 thyroid patients better than current. Note that drugs in Canada not being tested for ingredients or standards say CBC. Cost of testing and treatment needs to be subsidised for Canadians.
  • Free T3, Free T4 and antibody testing as standard for diagnosing and treating with RT3 testing easily available. And it would be really nice if doctors actually *understood* how to use these tests.
  • More understanding, testing and treatment of adrenal issues which are related to thyroid issues. I suspect my husband’s hyper with treatment reaction is due to adrenal issues, but the dr. refuses to test.
  • That ND’s were brought in more for my health care. That Endos/GP’s would actually do some research and learn more about the importance of T3. That Health Canada wouldn’t tie GP’s to sticking with guidelines for treating EVERY patient the same since we are all different. That doctors would get educated that diet plays a huge role in thyroid health. That doctors would understand that my issue is an Autoimmune disease and there are steps to calm the immune system down.
  • More teaching of symptoms and finding out what works so we can get back to being functioning people again.
  • Options. And to be taken seriously. They obviously care about personal client health…..act like it.

And the summary we can conclude from Canadian Thyroid Patients?

Granted, this was a small and informal poll. But it does give the strong impression that

  1. Informed Canadian thyroid patients are disgusted, frustrated and angry…and suffering.
  2. No matter how great one’s national healthcare system may seem to be, “free” doesn’t equal “quality”, nor do “strong outlined governmental principals” equal “wise treatment protocols”…as we’ve seen with thyroid issues and thyroid patient care.
  3. Canadian healthcare practitioners, just like any other country, need a far wiser understanding of the following:
  • the use of Natural Desiccated Thyroid or T3
  • why using just the TSH is inadequate
  • which lab tests really are most important, like the Free T3 and Free T4
  • how lab results have nothing to do with simply “falling in the normal range”
  • how symptoms are extremely important
  • that it’s not just “all in the patient’s head”
  • to take the patient experience more seriously
  • why Synthroid has been quite inadequate for most…sooner…or later.
  • understanding how common adrenal issues (adrenal fatigue) can be, and how to properly treat it

It’s all right here, Canadian doctors, if you are willing to listen to the wisdom and reflection of patients: //www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned And perhaps the new Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, will have listening ears?

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  • Canada’s own version of Natural Desiccated Thyroid is made by Erfa. But unfortunately, patients have reported that some batches have resulted in a return of symptoms. This blog post was active for quite awhile about that problem with certain batches of Erfa!!
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Wall Street Journal’s recent thyroid article: 13 ways it could have been SO MUCH better!

Screen Shot 2013-08-06 at 1.05.29 PM(This post has been updated to the present day and time! Enjoy!)

As usual, informed thyroid patients can only roll their eyes about the latest example of a watered-down, thyroid-themed article in the media. This time, it’s from Wall Street Journal Online and appeared Monday, August 5th, 2013.

Now on the positive side, the title looks good: New Call for More Thyroid Options. 

But let’s set it straight: this is NOT new! Informed thyroid patients have been clamoring about better treatment for more than a decade!!

I started the Yahoo Natural Thyroid Hormones group in 2002 as a way to begin the important discussion about the efficacy of Natural Desiccated Thyroid as a treatment for hypothyroidism over T4-only. The Stop the Thyroid Madness (STTM) site first went up in December 2005–a compilation of worldwide patient experiences which included lives being changed thanks to natural desiccated thyroid (NDT). The STTM book by the same name first appeared in 2008, and the revision in 2011. The STTM II book came out in late 2014. Today, there are numerous thyroid groups all over Facebook which have been extolling the virtues of better treatment.

Let’s break the article down and go into further detail, correction or clarification–all which might have made this a MUCH more informative and accurate article:

1) Grass roots patient-activist organizations….and the doctor-founded National Academy of Hypothyroidism, say that the current screening test for hypothyroidism leaves out some symptomatic patients and that the main medication used to treat patients, doesn’t always alleviate many symptoms.

True! And let’s be more specific about that so-called “screening test”: it’s the inane use of the TSH lab test which has been a monstrous screening failure! The TSH is a pituitary hormone, NOT a thyroid hormone! And it can consistently look “normal” for years (according to the parameter of an erroneous man-made “normal” range), yet we have raging hypothyroid symptoms…all the while the patient has to hear his or her doctor state they need to “exercise more and eat less”. The “main medication” is the all-too-often lousy T4-only medication like Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, Eltoxin, etc. Yet, a healthy thyroid makes FIVE hormones, not just one.

2) They are calling for doctors to be open to other therapies, including a combination of synthetic hormones and the use of natural, animal-based ones.

True. But though adding synthetic T3 to synthetic T4 is a huge step in a much better direction and can be applauded (and so can being on T3-only), a multitude of worldwide patient experience has found that Natural Desiccated Thyroid has given these patients even better results (in the presence of good iron and cortisol levels). Doctors need to listen to that!

3) Hashimoto’s Disease: A Primer (box on the left side of the article) 

What a perfect way to lower the quality of an article. As usual, it contains the dark ages information about the use of the TSH, and mentions the “common” treatment of T4-only. They might as well have inserted a primal on blood-letting.

4) [In reference to Dr. Ridha Arem’s correct comment that “There are so many unhappy thyroid patients,”] :  Many of his mainstream medical counterparts disagree. “The vast majority of people are fine on the standard therapy,” says Jeffrey Garber, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical Center and chair of the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists Thyroid Scientific Committee. Still, he says, “there’s a whole group out there who just thinks we’re clueless. 

Yup, millions of informed thyroid patients worldwide would definitely put you in that clueless category, Dr. Garber.

5) The wide range of symptoms, so similar to those of many other diseases, can make diagnosis tough. 

Totally untrue, say thyroid patients! Thyroid disease has a common cluster of symptoms in patients, which can include one or more of depression, fatigue, the need to nap, rising cholesterol, rising blood pressure, achiness, hair loss, weight gain, inability to lose weight, dry skin, dry hair, achiness, a low mid-afternoon temperature (below 98.6F/37C) and so many more symptoms.

Additionally, we have noted that if our free T3 is mid-range or lower, or our Free T4 is low, along with the above symptoms, it’s a sure sign that we are hypothyroid. Finally, family history underscores it for others, as can an ultrasound. It’s not that difficult when you understand the clinical presentation of hypothyroidism over an ink spot on a piece of paper!

6) Newborns and pregnant woman are routinely tested. Experts recommend screening all women over the age of 35 every five years. 

And how does that help when the testing/screening is with the inadequate TSH lab test, which we, as patients, already know leaves millions of us undiagnosed for years.

7) For treatment, guidelines generally call for the prescription of levothyroxine, a synthetic version of a hormone called thyroxine, or T4, which is produced by the thyroid. The gland also produces one other hormone, Triiodothyronine, or T3. 

A healthy thyroid gland produces FIVE known thyroid hormones: T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. So what’s the motive to prescribe only a storage thyroid hormone???

8) Most doctors, says Dr. Arem, generally prescribe T4-only medications. But such medications may leave some patients with lingering symptoms such as fatigue and depression and, in some cases, low T3 levels. 

He’s right! But there’s more to the story. Even those T4-only treated patients who see a removal of those lingering symptoms still end up seeing them crop up the longer they stay on T4! T4-only treatment is NOT a pretty picture.

9) Some patients go to alternative health professionals to get prescriptions for drugs such as desiccated thyroid extract (DTE) prepared from animal thyroid glands, which include a combination of T4 and T3.  

Thyroid patients are NOT just getting their natural desiccated thyroid (NDT is the common term, not DTE) from alternative health professionals. They are also getting it from open-minded and progressive regular doctors who LISTEN to their patients experiences!

10) The danger here, Dr. Arem says, is such patients could end up with an excessive amount of T3, resulting in symptoms of overactive thyroids, such as anxiety and a fast or irregular heart rate. He advocates a combination approach with amounts tailored to the individual.  

With all due respect to Dr. Arem, who is light years ahead of his colleagues in many areas, an excessive amount of T3 is not because of the use of NDT. It’s because NDT will reveal the problems of inadequate iron or inadequate cortisol–either of which can cause T3 to pool high in the blood and not make it to the cells. When patients correct those, they eventually soar on NDT. A newer page on STTM explains why NDT appears to cause problems.

11) Most studies looking at combination approaches show conflicting results. 

This is because those doing the studies made several key mistakes!! a) they dosed by the TSH, which leaves patients underdosed, b) they had no clue about the problem of inadequate levels of iron or cortisol, either which will leave a patient hypothyroid! Learn from patients!

12) The study’s authors said in a news release that it showed DTE may be a good alternative therapy for a limited number of patients. Harvard’s Dr. Garber says there may be certain subsets who are genetically programmed to respond to such combination therapies. 

That’s like saying a “limited number” of human beings and only those “who are genetically programmed” will do well with a healthy thyroid (NDT gives the exact same hormones as a healthy thyroid!! T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin).

13) Dr. Garber, like many endocrinologists, uses T4 medications with the vast majority of his patients. Occasionally he’ll also use conservative doses of a synthetic T3 drug, but he virtually never prescribes the animal-derived form, he says, because of complications that could arise for women trying to get pregnant or in early pregnancy, as well as individuals with heart disease.  

And this is why most thyroid patients, when they report about their doctor experiences, find Endocrinologists to be the worst doctor they ever went to, using descriptive words such as arrogant, close-minded, blind. And by the way, even some heart surgeons know that T3 SUPPORTS healthy heart function, not hurts it! See the Medical Research page on STTM which supports what we already know by our experiences!

See the actual Wall Street Journal article here.

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* Did you know that the original and revised Stop the Thyroid Madness book is in four languages?? English, Spanish, German and Swedish. Wooo hoooo!!  And now, there’s a STTM II book with each chapter written by medical practitioners! 

* The STTM Facebook page is very active and informative about successful thyroid patient treatment! Come join us! Discussion groups listed on the Talk to Others page.

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If you could turn back the clock, would you have started on NDT instead of T4-only??

CLOCK turning back.bmp“If you could turn the clock back to when you were first diagnosed, would you even have bothered trying the synthetic Thyroxine (T4-only) or would you have jumped right in with NDT (Natural Desiccated Thyroid)?”

The above is an interesting real question asked by a new thyroid patient recently to other thyroid patients in a forum.

She is in the dilemma that so many NEW hypothyroid patients find themselves in when their doctors are pushing T4-only, yet patient experiences as outlined on STTM are saying that NDT was a better treatment for all too many. WHO TO BELIEVE?? Sure, some state they do well on T4-only, but is there more to the story?  Here are the answers from many different individuals in that string, plus more:

  • I would definitely go directly to NDT. NO doubt about it!!!
  • I never would have taken synthetics if I had known then what I know now. I have spent the last 15 years or so (maybe longer including the undiagnosed time) not in optimal health.
  • I agree 100% with the above two comments!
  • I would never have started on synthetic. Straight to ndt!
  • I was diagnosed 6 months ago. I switched after 2.5. I never felt any improvement on levo. If anything felt worse
  • I have been on over 9 different meds for the last 5 yrs. I found the STTM site, switched to NDT and I will never go back to all those drugs/meds! Life is actually returning to my body! The dr’s can keep you sick! Just my own personal experience!
  • I agree with the above. Had I known I would have never of taken Syncrap (Synthroid). Now I’m trying to fix the damage that has been done.
  • I have only ever been on synthetic (nine years), first Levoxyl and most recently Tirosint. If I had to do over, I would have tried NDT first no doubt.
  • On Eltroxin, heart issues were chest pains, numbness on my left arm, tachycardia, inverted t waves on the ECG which led them to believe i had a heart attack. I had a crazy fever and was doing reverse t3 clearout when that happened, but had it not been for synthetic, i believe i would not have gotten that bad. After taking synthetic for just a few months i also became thyrotoxic with large amounts of t4 pooling in my blood which ultimately meant to me i had conversion issues.
  • I’ve been on synthetic for 15 plus years. At the time I was desperate and even though I’ve done mostly natural on a lot of other fronts… I wasn’t aware there was an alternative. It seemed like a lifesaver at the time, as I was desperate. Now, with all the additional issues, which may likely be connected, I’d go with the natural for sure.
  • I took Synthroid, Levothyroxine and Cytomel… none of these synthetics helped me. I think my fibromyalgia diagnosis 15 years ago was due to an undertreated thyroid on Synthroid. I lost a LOT of hair as well! Armour’s resolved my hair loss within a week. It’ll take a while to grow back, but at least I’m not losing handfuls anymore!
  • I would have gone for Natural…I was HORRID on Synthroid
  • A year ago I got so sick I could barely walk to the bathroom. I couldn’t breath, shower, walk, and literally felt like I was dying. MY levothyroxine was raised from 225 to 275 which bought my TSH from 15 down to 2.5 which my NP thought was “great” – all the while I’m telling her I feel like I’m dying.  I will never ever go back to SYNTHETIC (T4-only)!!  Only wish I had even known there was NDT 25 years ago. I JUST heard of NDT 6 months ago through a Yahoo Group and then thank GOD I found STTM.  
  • If you have a choice ndt is a great option.
  • I would too have gone straight on NDT. I spent 2 yrs fighting with my levels (going from hypo to hyper) while taking Synthroid and Cytomel. Not one of the 5 doctors I saw could ever get me regulated. Within 3 or 4 months after I started self-treating (because I was living overseas where they don’t even have NDT) I was optimized…lost almost 40 lbs and felt wonderful.
  • I would have absolutely gone with NDT first…
  • If I had stayed on Synthroid for 6 months, I would not be here now because I would have committed suicide. I was thinking about it at 2 months. Thank God I discovered NDT (Natural Dessicated Thyroid) hormone then and switched.
  • I was on Synthroid for a good 20 years and would have said I was doing great, energy-wise. But I never realized that my rising cholesterol, need to nap and antidepressant was due to Syncrap being inadequate. I wouldn’t do it again, in spite of having better energy than others. 
  • I would not have tried synthetic thyroid first. NDT closely resembles the human thyroid hormones. NDT has T1 and T2 (which they are not even sure what the purpose of these thyroid hormones are yet), T3, T4, and Calcitonin. Calcitonin is important for bone strength. People who have taken synthetic, T4-only thyroid have eventually developed osteoporosis. Our bodies need all the ingredients in natural thyroid.
  • That’s easy. I would have started on desiccated. Why take the risk when T4 has caused so many problems for so many?
  • Yes. I am one who was started on both T4 and T3. I thought it was the right thing. When I switched to Np Thyroid, it was hugely better. It’s true what peeps say about it better even better. I do have good iron and cortisol.
  • Yes, yes, yes.

Another gal mentioned she would have gone to to the high iodine protocol first (on the premise that her hypothyroidism coud have been from low iodine).

Another said she didn’t do well on NDT, but she and any others in her shoes can discover why here i.e. it’s not about NDT–it’s about two common issues that NDT will reveal, and if treated correctly, one can soar on NDT!

Another felt it was a tough call due to some doing well on T4-only…but you have to consider that many aren’t as well as they claim (and are taking meds to bandaid the symptoms of a poor treatment), or they will and do see more problems crop up the longer they are on, in spite of doing well now.

Yes, if I could turn back the clock, I would have had better life experiences.

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