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How Dawn healed her adrenals–an inspiring story everyone must read!

Screen Shot 2014-05-13 at 2.56.53 PMWhen I first had my thyroid removed in 2012 due to autoimmune destruction from Hashimoto’s disease since age 10 and Graves disease for 6 years, I did not know what to expect. And like most other post-thyroidectomy patients, I was reassured by my surgeon that all it would take is for me to take “a little pill every day and things will be much better” (i.e. my surgeon referring to the Synthroid she prescribed for my post-op thyroid replacement)

What ensued after that was a nightmare that has lasted the past two years!

I went into heart failure multiple times from the inadequate replacement with Synthroid (T4 only medication). I was MISERABLE! Dizzy, heart racing out of the blue, internal shaking as well as nausea, severe fatigue and extreme irritability! I became a monster that even my own family did not recognize!!

STTM was discovered

Fast forward 9 months, and a good friend of mine came across the Stop the Thyroid Madness website and sent it my way. I ordered the book after looking through the website and realized I knew NOTHING about thyroid disease and proper treatment for hypothyroidism, and apparently neither did my Doctor!!

I made the switch to a working Natural Desiccated Thyroid like Armour e in March 2013, and things DID improve some. But the fatigue, shakes, dizziness and irritability continued! I flew off the handle at my husband, my parents, even my dogs (poor babies did not deserve it, but I was just out of control emotionally!) I thought I must be going crazy and feared I had developed a psychiatric disorder. In fact, my Endocrinologist suggested I see a psychiatrist to “work out my frustration and anger!”

It was my adrenals!

I started reading Chapter 6 in the revised STTM book– All about ADRENALS!! I thought I was reading my life story all over again! I had 90% of the symptoms listed on the “symptoms of low cortisol” page on the STTM site. I tried Janie’s at home testing and failed them all miserably! I ordered a 24 hour adrenal saliva cortisol test, and there is where I found my answer! See the results below:

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Turns out I wasn’t crazy! My adrenals were not putting out adequate cortisol to handle the increased stress of low thyroid levels and all my other life issues! I was LOW, LOW, LOW, slightly HIGH.

“How do I fix it?” 

I considered using T3CM, but knowing that I was low Morning, Noon AND Evening meant that was not likely to help per other patient’s experiences.

So someone suggested I try Thorne ACE (Adrenal Cortex Extract) to replace my low cortisol at those three times of day! I got it all ordered, read through the chapters in the STTM book. I added in high doses of Vitamin C (3,000mg per day) and high doses of magnesium (800-1,200mg per day) and started supplementing with Celtic Sea Salt and the Adrenal Cocktail (salt in water, plus minerals). I started feeling better pretty quickly with the sea salt and nutritional support added.

It took me several weeks of trial and error to get my symptoms under control and get the dose of ACE correct. I had to learn to take DATs (Daily Average Temperatures) to gauge whether or not the dose was the right one. I tracked symptoms, doses and temps daily. I adjusted up every few days until my temps stabilized and my symptoms became more minimal. I was still without a good doctor at this point, so I was self-treating using the knowledge I got in the support groups and in the Stop the Thyroid Madness book.

A job change was necessary

I realized that I could not continue under the extreme stress of working the 12 hour nightshift in a busy hospital. I was burning the candle at both ends, and everything I read about adrenals said reducing stress and sleeping on a set schedule was a MUST. So, I spoke with my spouse, and we decided I would quit my job and look for something less physically and emotionally demanding, and something with day-time hours exclusively. I was off work for 3 months while searching for a new position, and though money was tight and things were stressful, changing to sleeping at night once again made a HUGE difference (I put myself on a strict 10 pm-7 am sleep schedule.) I cut caffeine, sugar and alcohol out completely — the caffeine was very tough to give up, but I did it! Being out of the high-stress work environment was extremely helpful in healing adrenals!

A saliva retest

I was feeling better little by little, but the fatigue remained, especially in the afternoons. I would just crash around 2 pm and couldn’t do much of anything until late in the evening! I would get periodic adrenaline reactions (especially late in the afternoons.) I would sweat profusely, get shaky inside, feeling like my heart would pound out of my chest! I finally got in to see my “good thyroid doctor” in November 2013. He immediately said he wanted to take me off ACE for two weeks and retest my adrenals to see if I had made progress. Here is what they showed: (the retest is the one that says “current” taken in November 2013:

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As you can see, my Morning was showing improvement, but the noon and evening levels slid to a lower level than when I started ACE.

I spoke with my good thyroid doctor, and he suggested we lower ACE in the morning, add more at the noon/evening doses and slide the times a bit earlier than what I had been taking. Things continued to improve, and I got my afternoons back! By then I was back working full time up to 50 hours per week. The new job was emotionally stressful, but not physically so. I continued to get adrenaline reactions in the late afternoon, but they became less and less as time went on. I started feeling completely recovered by Feb 2014. I still had low thyroid levels due to hormone resistance, but adrenals symptoms had completely resolved. I weaned off ACE and did just fine. I kept up with the nutritional support of high dose Vitamin C and Magnesium and did the adrenal cocktail and celtic sea salt if I needed it, but it was rare for me to need those at this point.

Victory!

We waited three months of me being off of ACE and retested to see where I stand! Here are the new, post-treatment levels. Taken end of April, 2014:

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As you can see, my levels are now VERY close to optimal! I did notice that my nighttime level has gone up some, so my doctor had put me on Zinc to help reduce that, and Melatonin as needed (though I don’t really take it more than once per month.)

I discovered recently that I have Lyme disease and chronic infections which is the cause of my inflammation and continued low thyroid levels, despite taking Nature-Throid and Cytomel T3 at high doses. We hope that treatment for Lyme will finally help get inflammation down and improve my thyroid levels to liveable again!

I cannot be more thankful to Stop the Thyroid Madness for helping me get my life back! There IS life after Adrenal Fatigue!! I would say healing my adrenals has been the single most important thing I have done to feel better and function better on a daily basis. My family and my dogs no longer fear me and I have my laidback personality back once again, and my house is now at PEACE!! Don’t give up hope!! STTM will help you get better if you follow it!

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Dear Erfa Canada: Stop this nonsense and change your desiccated thyroid back!!

Screen Shot 2014-05-08 at 8.13.37 AMNot again. 

It appears that one more time, a manufacturer of what was once a very good natural desiccated thyroid product has ruined it. 

In 2009, thyroid patients whose lives had changed in major and positive ways thanks to Armour, a brand of natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) made by Forest Labs, saw their hypothyroidism come right back. Why? Forest, in all their wisdom, decided to raise the cellulose, lower the sucrose, and make Armour a much harder tablet. And somehow in all that change, patients reported all their hypothyroid symptoms now returning. It was a disaster.

As a result of the above, thyroid patients moved to other natural desiccated thyroid products, and Erfa of Canada was one. And oh did patients love it. It was made like the old Armour, and we could also do it sublingually–a method many of us like. Erfa calls their NDT product simply “Thyroid” and it has always come in sizes of 30 mg, 60 mg and 125 mg.

Fast forward to 2014, and patients who have been doing wonderfully on Erfa are now reporting a major return of their hypothyroid symptoms!

And what’s the scuttlebutt we hear from Dr. Henri Knafo, the Medical Director for Erfa Canada?? That they changed the facility from which the tablets were made but not the ingredients. Really??

This is particularly disturbing for European patients whose lives have changed in positive ways thank to NDT, and know the inherent problems with T4-only.

All too many European doctors and their esteemed medical organizations are clueless about the efficacy of Natural Desiccated Thyroid and turn their backs on prescribing it. Like too many American and Canadian doctors, they worship the ground that T4-only medications unfortunately walk on, and fail to see the widespread problems that thyroid patients have on T4-only. So patients suffer. But luckily, thyroid patients in Europe had been pleased about being able to find Erfa in a few places and thus, see their lives change in major positive ways.

But that has now changed for European Thyroid Patients thanks to this latest egregious change in Erfa’s Thyroid, and the situation is horrific for patients once again, just as it was in 2009 when Forest changed Armour.

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What can you do??

  1. If you were once doing wonderfully on Erfa, and now see a return of your symptoms, email Erfa’s Medical Direction here: henri.knafo@eci2012.net  Spell out how you were BEFORE the change, and what is going on SINCE the change. And email him multiple times, if necessary. Make it clear. Make it often.
  2. Post here what has happened to you on the “reformulated” Erfa. This is a widely read blog post and website for informed thyroid patients as well as doctors.

In the meantime, if you need to move over to another brand…or if you CAN change over where you live….here are your options for better thyroid treatment.

PLEASE POST THE LOT NUMBERS of the bottles of which your symptoms returned!

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UPDATE May 12, 2014: A gal from Sweden heard from Erfa today, and they are admitting there have apparently been a bad batch or batches. I’ll keep you updated.

UPDATE May 15, 2014: Dr. Knafo has posted the following:
Dear all, 

As you know we are currently investigating all the complaints that I received and I would like to ask for your help in order to complete the investigation.

1.       Do you have a lot number and exp date written on the bottle of Thyroid ? If so please give it to us.

2.       Can you tell us what strength(s) you bough (30, 60 or 125mg) ?

3.       Also please mention what pharmacy you bought the product from.

Once this information is received we can go forward with the investigation.   Please feel free to email me if you have other questions

Dr Henri Knafo, MD, M.Sc, B.Sc

Email : Henri.knafo@eci2012.net

 

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Dr. Melnick discusses alarming article from Harvard about the use of the TSH and thyroid treatment!

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P4089852Dear STTM Blog readers, I am so fortunate to talk to many wonderful individuals because of Stop the Thyroid Madness. And recently, I had a conversion with the very insightful Dr. Hugh Melnick of New York City.

Dr. Melnick brought my attention to a very disturbing article titled “For borderline underactive thyroid, drug therapy isn’t always necessary” that came from the Harvard Health Letters in October 2013, You can see it here: http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/for-borderline-underactive-thyroid-drug-therapy-isnt-always-necessary-201310096740.

This conversation between Dr. Melnick and I may be of great interest to STTM readers, besides alarming once you see what is being stated in this article and suggested as treatment guidelines. It’s simply Thyroid Treatment Dark Ages!

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JANIE: Hello Dr. Melnick. I’m so glad to chat with you! Can you tell our readers a little about yourself?

DR. MELNICK: I am a reproductive endocrinologist who has been in medical practice since 1976. As the medical director of Advanced Fertility Services In Vitro Fertilization Center in New York City, I have always been impressed by the large number of  infertile women that I have seen over the years, who are symptomatically hypothyroid, and who conceive after treatment with thyroid medication.

Although I did my medical training at a point in time when the TSH test and Synthroid were just being introduced into clinical practice, I was trained by one of the most widely respected endocrinologists of that era, Herbert Kupperman, MD, Ph.D. to diagnose and  treat patients with potential thyroid issues according to their symptoms, rather than solely by their blood test results.  His vast clinical experience, and subsequently mine, as well, is that treatment with Natural Desiccated Thyroid (NDT) gives far superior symptomatic improvement for the vast majority of patients. Furthermore, the dosage of thyroid medication should always be based upon a patient’s clinical symptoms and not the TSH level.

JANIE: That greatly impresses me when I learn of doctors like yourself who understand the efficacy of Natural Desiccated Thyroid as well as the problems with using the TSH lab test.  You recently brought my attention to what was written just a few months ago by Heidi Godman, the Executive Editor of Harvard Health Letter (see introduction above). Can you expound on what Ms Godman meant by “borderline underactive thyroid”? 

DR. MELNICK: Actually, Ms. Godman is mistakenly defining hypothyroidism by TSH levels, rather than by a patient’s clinical symptoms. It is obvious that there are many symptomatic and genuinely hypothyroid individuals, who have normal TSH levels, and who experience relief when given a proper dose of the appropriate thyroid medication. The TSH level only diagnoses a type of hypothyroidism that is due to failure of the thyroid gland itself, or a failure of the pituitary gland.

In my experience, the most common form of hypothyroidism is called subclinical because the TSH levels are in the “normal range.” It is a genetic condition, usually passed through the mother and manifests itself later in adulthood. In subclinical hypothyroidism, the individual’s cells need more active thyroid hormone–T3–than their bodies are able to produce in order to function properly. Therefore, supplementation with a thyroid medication containing T3, in the proper dose, will relieve the troubling symptoms and allow the cells to function optimally.

Again, basing the dosage of thyroid medication on TSH levels is incorrect. When treating hypothyroidism, we are not treating a condition like diabetes, in which the insulin dose is based upon the patients’ blood sugar levels. Although they are both endocrine disorders, they are vastly different conditions and cannot be treated in the same fashion, although many endocrinologists still insist on doing so!

JANIE: In the article, Godman quotes that prescriptions for levothyroxine have increased from 50 million in 2006 to about 70 million in 2010, and a similar increase has occurred in England and Wales. She then calls this increase in treatment “pretty risky business”, citing irregular heart rhythms, insomnia, and loss of bone density”. What is she implying there?

DR. MELNICK: I think that the observed increase in the use of the thyroid medication Synthroid is due to the fact that hypothyroidism is a very common condition, affecting at least 35% of the female and 10% male population.  Considering the population estimates for 2013 is 317 million people in the U.S.A. and the population of the United Kingdom is estimated to be 70 million, 28% of the population in the U.S.  and 23% of the population in England, (assuming one prescription per year per individual patient) are being treated for hypothyroidism. This is actually a bit less than the estimated incidence of hypothyroidism in this country. I also believe that more cases of hypothyroidism are being found because people, in general, are more informed about the symptoms of hypothyroidism and seek treatment.

In my opinion, Ms. Godman erroneously categorizes treatment of hypothyroidism a “pretty risky risky business”. The risks of not treating hypothyroidism is, in fact, more potentially injurious to a patient’s health! 

For example, the increased risk of heart disease in untreated hypothyroid individuals is a solid example of why hypothyroidism needs to be treated. The examples that she cites, namely, irregular heart rhythms and insomnia, are found in many people with hypothyroidism before treatment and are cured by adequate thyroid treatment. The symptoms that she mentioned are not exclusively associated with hyperthyroidism. The loss of bone density claim comes from studies of hyperthyroid individuals, who because of their hyperthyroidism and excessively high metabolic rate, may develop osteoporosis.

JANIE: The next part of this article is alarming. It refers to a particular “clinical practice guidelines” authored by Endocrinologist Dr. Jeffrey Garber, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. These guidelines come from a task force representing the American Thyroid Association and the American Association of Clinical Endocrinologists. The first guideline is as follows, and goes completely against what informed thyroid patients know to be wise. Can you comment? 

1) The best way to check for hypothyroidism is to look at the level of thyroid stimulating hormone (TSH) in the blood, and when the TSH level is above 10 mIU/L, there’s uniform agreement that treatment with levothyroxine is appropriate. 

DR. MELNICK: Firstly, clinical practice guidelines are merely suggestions that have been developed to help physicians with limited experience diagnose and treat medical issues. Clinical guidelines are like a cook book, which describes a recipe that makes a simple meal, but not necessarily a complex and elaborate feast. That said, it is quite obvious that the way in which I diagnose and treat hypothyroidism is quite different than that which is suggested by the above referenced societies.

Although I do perform a complete battery of blood tests, including antithyroid antibodies, iron, vitamin B12 and vitamin D levels, I believe that a clinical approach – listening to a patient’s symptoms and treating a patient accordingly – is, in some ways, more important in diagnosing and properly treating patients suffering with the symptoms of hypothyroidism. If a physician only looks at a patient’s blood tests, without listening to the patient’s symptoms and asking them appropriate questions, many people who legitimately need thyroid medication will be denied proper treatment. That is precisely the reason that so many people come to me suffering with all the classical symptoms of hypothyroidism and tell me that their doctors have tested their thyroid and found them to be “within normal limits”.

It is not surprising when these very same patients experience symptomatic improvement when treated with adequate doses of NDT. I rarely treat patients initially with Synthroid. The primary reason is that Synthroid, being a synthetic T4 (a weak thyroid hormone- not chemically identical to human T4), must be converted into T3, the potent form of the hormone that enters every cell in the body and makes the cells of the body function normally. Unfortunately, many individuals are unable to successfully convert T4 into T3, so the patients’ symptoms remain, yet the TSH level is normal.

Natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) is made from the thyroid glands of pigs, which produce thyroid hormones chemically similar to that found in humans and does contain T3. Porcine (pig) thyroid gland also contains other thyroid hormones and proteins, which, in my experience are much more effective in relieving the symptoms of hypothyroidism than synthetic T4.  Who can argue that a natural treatment, if availble, is to be preferred over a synthetic one.

JANIE: I loved the analogy above to a cook book, Dr. Melnick! Garber’s second most-emphasized guideline is the following, and I would love for you to comment on this as well, as informed thyroid patients would find this very disturbing, as well: 

2) If the TSH level is between 4mIU/L and 10mIU/L, treatment may still be warranted in various situations:  

  • if the levels of actual thyroid hormones in the blood–known as thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3)–are abnormal
  • if the bloodstream contains anti-thyroid antibodies that attack the thyroid. These antibodies would indicate a hypothyroid condition called Hashimoto’s disease, in which the immune system mistakenly attacks the thyroid.
  • if there is evidence of heart disease or risk for it. 

Garber is next quoted as saying “Use thyroid hormone for a brief period of time.”  and “If you feel better, you can continue with treatment. If not, then stop.”  That recommendation is quite alarming as well, as it fails to understand that it may not be about stopping thyroid medication, but moving over to a far better treatment with natural desiccated thyroid, which informed thyroid patients know should have been the first treatment of choice anyway. Can you comment? 

DR. MELNICK: In my clinical experience, 99% of patients with TSH levels over 4.0 are quite symptomatic, if questioned about their symptoms properly. Therefore, treatment is absolutely mandatory, both to relieve “quality of life symptoms” as well as to prevent heart disease, lower blood pressure, normalize blood sugar and cholesterol levels, if they are found to be elevated.

Dr. Garber’s recommendations about using thyroid medicine for a short period of time and continuing it if improvement is noted omits two essential factors. The first is that since he treats his patients only with Synthroid, a significant percentage will show no improvement because their symptoms are not relieved because they cannot convert T4 into T3. The second factor is that by following TSH levels in the blood, a patient may not actually be taking a high enough dose of thyroid medication, yet  will show low TSH levels in the blood. The level of thyroid hormones circulating in the blood-whether they are bound or free- only indicate absorption of the medication and give no indication as to the amount of T3 entering the cells. When an individual gets enough T3 into their cells, their symptoms will improve.

The only way to measure the correct dose of thyroid medication, in addition to noting improvement in symptoms, is by measuring the Basal Body Temperature and by the measurement of nerve conduction velocity (Thyroflex Test). This is a noninvasive test  which gives a good indication of dosage adequacy. The slower the patient’s nerve conduction velocity, the higher the dose of thyroid medication that is required.

One main point that must be noted is that thyroid medicine may take up to twelve weeks in order to experience some degree of symptomatic relief. The other is that the patients’ dosage should be increased gradually and in divided daily doses until symptomatic relief is  experienced. The dose should be reduced if the patient experiences rapid or irregular heartbeat, shakiness or anxiety. These symptoms will resolve in several hours and are not harmful.

Hashimoto’s or autoimmune thyroiditis is a much more complex clinical condition, in that symptoms in many individuals may vary, from hypo to hyper from time to time. Treatment with thyroid hormone is usually needed, but some patients, in the early stages of thyroid autoimmunity, may be fairly asymptomatic.  As the condition progresses, symptoms will eventually be experienced. The levels of antithyroid antibodies do not correlate with the severity of a person’s symptoms.  Antithyroid antibodies never disappear and will always be detectable in the blood.  There may also be gluten sensitivity in some instances, so dietary factors may be important. When an infertility patient is found to have antithyroid antibodies, whether they are symptomatic or not, I always treat them with NDT since it does help them to conceive and seems to reduce the incidence of miscarriages.

JANIE: Heidi Godman then states the following about individualized treatment for hypothyroidism, which informed thyroid patients know by years of experience is a recipe for disaster: That requires measuring TSH four to eight weeks after starting treatment or changing a dose, another TSH test after six months, then every 12 months.”  

DR. MELNICK: I respectfully disagree with both Ms. Godman’s  formula as stated above, as well as with Dr. Garber’s method for diagnosing and treating hypothyroidism. Although the Harvard Medical School is a very prestigious institution, and that the information that they published cited the work of a physician of professorial rank, it is quite contrary to my own clinical experience and that of the many untreated or inadequately treated individuals who suffer with the many debilitating and disturbing symptoms arising from thyroid hormone deficiency.

I say this in jest, but if a patient follows the treatment protocol advocated by Ms. Godwon, they are more like to die of old age before their symptoms of hypothyroidism begin to show signs of clinical improvement .

JANIE: Your last sentence was excellent, Dr. Melnick. Your sage observations and wisdom jive with over a decade of successful patient experiences and wisdom! And we must push AGAINST the guidelines suggested by Dr. Jeffrey Garber. Informed thyroid patients know how disastrous they can be!

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An Open Letter to All Physicians from a Nurse about thyroid treatment

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A Thyroid patient who is also an RN was shocked to see the contents of a letter that a patient’s doctor had sent out to this patient. It was filled with terrible inaccuracies about thyroid treatment, she exclaimed, and she was horrified. No wonder so many thyroid patients are exasperated with their doctors!

So she compiled this excellent letter, refuting several comments made by this doctor, but directing it to ANY doctor who holds these false views.

Take the time to share this on your Facebook pages, your blogs, to your doctor, you name it. Spread the word as we work to Stop the Thyroid Treatment Madness!!

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An Open letter to physicians regarding the use of “Pig Thyroid Hormones”

I am writing this letter in response to any physician’s stance against the use of any forms of Natural Desiccated Thyroid (NDT) hormones as replacement for inadequate thyroid hormone levels. I will attempt to include links to medical-journal/peer-reviewed/scientific-based information to help you catch up on the latest in thyroid treatment and information.

I know that you, as a physician, have very limited time when it comes to researching various information on treatment protocols. I acknowledge that you were given limited training on thyroid diagnosis and treatments during your medical school programs, as well as in internship and residency programs, and have likely had to rely on the information provided by Pharmaceutical sales reps.

As such, I believe that your views are unfairly skewed and not fully fleshed out towards the use of T4-only medications such as Synthroid, Levoxyl, and others.

1) Regarding your assertion that Synthroid/T4 only medications are “bio-identical” in structure and thus, are an “adequate replacement” for a thyroid that makes 5 hormones (T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin)

Please review the following photos, showing the chemical structure of human thyroxine (T4) and the chemical structures of T4-only medications such as Tirosint and Synthroid: (source: Synthroid Manufacturer’s Full prescribing information). As you can see below, there is a great difference between the molecular structure of Synthroid and human thyroxine.

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And below, in the top photo, is the human thyroxine (T4) molecule (Source: Chemical and Engineering news: https://pubs.acs.org/cen/coverstory/83/8325/8325thyroxine.html)  Compared that to the T4 molecule found in Nature-throid, bottom photo, which is one of several commonly-prescribed forms of Natural Desiccated Thyroid (NDT) medication.  (source: Nature-throid prescribing information http://www.nature-throid.com/images/Nature-Throid-PI-Rev041121-03.pdf)

As you can see, the molecules are identically formed, and therefore are the ones which are truly “bio-identical in structure”.

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2) Regarding your assertion that the TSH is a stable and reliable test which should be looked at first, while T4 and T3 levels fluctuate frequently and are not stable enough to be considered. 

Here are several medical journal articles which should make anyone rethink the use of the TSH lab test:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100315230910.htm

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/9/5483

http://www.thyroid-info.com/articles/david-derry.htm

http://thyroid.about.com/od/thyroiddrugstreatments/l/blderryb.htm

And not only the above, but there are a large body of thyroid patients who, for decades, have reported having a very “normal” TSH lab test while having very obvious symptoms of hypothyroidism, including a low temperature, fatigue, exercise intolerance, feeling cold, dry skin, depression, hair loss and more.

3) Regarding your idea as to what amount of T4 or T3 a human thyroid produces in a day (such as 100 mcg T4 and about 6 mcg T3 daily).

That information will vary. For example, another source states that a human thyroid makes on average between 3-5 grains of thyroid hormone per day:  “Estimates of average normal secretion for euthyroid humans are 94-110 µg T4 and 10-22 µg T3 daily (300).  If  you need more, it can be due to exogenous desiccated thyroid (giving it to yourself) vs. the superior absorption of natural release of thyroid hormones.” 

Source: http://www.thyroidmanager.org/chapter/thyroid-hormone-synthesis-and-secretion/

Either way, it varies according to each individual as to what amount of NDT will remove all symptoms.

4) Regarding your assertion that very few thyroid patients have issues with conversion of T4 to T3: 

As you may or may not know, many situations can cause problems with the conversion of T4 to T3 within the body, including a) mineral deficiencies (particularly low iron – a common issue in hypothyroid patients), b) gastrointestinal problems, c) liver problems, d) adrenal cortisol deficiencies (VERY common in T4 only-treated patients due to the inadequacy of being on nothing more than a storage hormone 5) the use of many commonly-prescribed medications including beta blockers or pharmacological doses of corticosteroids.

Source: http://www.naturalendocrinesolutions.com/articles/do-you-have-a-t4-to-t3-conversion-problem/

See Also:

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/abs/10.1210/jc.2008-1301

http://press.endocrine.org/doi/full/10.1210/jcem.84.2.5534

In addition to all the above, there are many thyroid patients who report that their FT3 “looked right” on T4-only, yet they continued to have symptoms of hypothyroidism while on thyroxine.

5) Regarding your assertion that there is no good way to dose Armour and other Natural Desiccated Thyroid Products

The growing body of thyroid patients around the world have frankly not had any issues with dosing NDT. Most dose it twice a day, such as first thing in the morning, and then the early afternoon. And it’s worked well.

Additionally, there are a variety of different strengths to choose from by the manufacturers of Natural Desiccated Thyroid meds such as Armour, NatureThroid, WP Thyroid, NP Thyroid, Erfa etc. For example….http://www.nature-throid.com/available_strengths.php

http://www.nature-throid.com/images/Nature-Throid-PI-Rev041121-03.pdf

6) Regarding the idea that a supposed “high dose of T3” has a stimulant effect…or is like a large dose of caffeine…or makes you feel good…or is addictive…or doesn’t make much sense physiologically…or may actually be dangerous, especially for the heart. 

I would hope that any doctor who proclaims to be a hormone-balancing “expert” would have a basic working knowledge of the need for T3 hormone in adequate levels for optimal cardiac functioning. Here are some helpful links which demonstrate the need for adequate T3 in order for cardiac functioning to be considered “optimal.”

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism has reported that long-term levothyroxine replacement therapy in young adults is associated with cardiovascular abnormalities. http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/93/7/2486

And from this article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18221125 “Clinical studies have shown that mild forms of thyroid dysfunction, both primary (subclinical hypothyroidism and subclinical hyperthyroidism) and secondary (low T(3) syndrome) have negative prognostic impact in patients with heart failure. In these patients, the administration of synthetic triiodothyronine (T(3)) was well tolerated and induced significant improvement in cardiac function without increased heart rate and metabolic demand “

From this article: http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/93/4/1351.full.pdf  “Altogether, our data indicate that short-term administration of substitutive doses of synthetic L-T3 state reduces activation of the neuroendocrine system and improves LV SV in patients with ventricular dysfunction and low-T3 syndrome”

And this study: http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jtr/2011/958626/abs/ “The potential of TH (thyroid hormones) to regenerate a diseased heart has now been tested in patients with acute myocardial infarction in a phase II, randomized, double blind, placebo-controlled study (the THiRST study)”

And this statement, from this American Heart Association-sponsored study states: http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/107/5/708.long “…low T3 concentrations are a strong independent predictive marker of poor prognosis in cardiac patients and might represent a determinant factor directly implicated in the evolution and prognosis of these patients. “

To the contrary, hypothyroid patients are not seeking “high doses of T3”. Instead, they seek an amount of NDT that removes their symptoms of hypothyroidism, improves their temperature and metabolism, results in a strong heart and good blood pressure. When we achieve all the latter, we’ve noticed our free T3 in the upper quarter of the range, and the Free T4 around mid-range…and we have no symptoms of excess (if iron and cortisol is also corrected).  It’s all the result of adequate, physiologic doses for replacement, not high doses of NDT with its inherent direct T3.

We are NOT stimulant addicts or drug-seekers, and find that offensive. We are only seeking to replace what our thyroids are not giving us, and to regain a non-hypothyroid state as a result.

We are seeking human decency, wisdom and open-mindedness from our physicians. You would not deny a diabetic patient replacement with the hormone insulin, so why would you deny a person without adequate thyroid function all the right hormones, including the T3 hormone which is critical for every cell in the body to function properly? This seems cruel and unusual treatment in my book, and does NOT correlate with the “first, do no harm” portion of the Hippocratic oath!

7) Regarding the idea that patients are full of “bitter, angry, contentious discourse.”

Do try to understand how it feels to live in a body with a damaged or under-functioning thyroid and to have a doctor replace your missing thyroid hormones with nothing more than a storage hormone. We do not see healthy thyroids only producing a storage hormone. Living life without adequate thyroid hormones (particularly direct T3- the “active” thyroid hormone which every living cell in your body needs to function properly) leaves patients frustrated.

Additionally, put yourself in our shoes when you proclaim us “normal” based on a pituitary hormone, in spite of the fact that we continue to have hypothyroid symptoms. The latter test has repeatedly failed to correspond with how patients feel and function on a daily basis.

Imagine being held to a medication such as Synthroid, which then leaves you with inadequate thyroid hormones to obtain functional levels of daily living, optimal heart function and optimal hormonal balance. Imagine living your life in pain, depression, and with high blood pressure and cholesterol, with inadequate adrenal function, and all your sex hormones thrown off balance simply because your doctor is not open-minded or educated enough to grant you the use of natural desiccated thyroid which can make those symptoms disappear (in the presence of good iron and cortisol). Imagine being unable to get out of bed in the morning due to severe unrelenting fatigue and being unable to think properly due to brain fog caused by lack of thyroid hormones. Imagine missing out on the joys of life, and family, and being a functional member of society, simply because your doctor would not allow you to try a better form of medication. Would you not be upset with your physician if you knew there was a simple solution, yet you were repeatedly brushed off, symptoms ignored, and told to go on with living your half-life and to just “deal with it?”

8) Regarding the idea that Natural Desiccated Thyroid has not worked for some patients

Janie Bowthorpe has compiled several reasons why NDT doesn’t seem to works based on over a decade of reported patient experiences: //www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ndt-doesnt-work-for-me Can that many patients and their important experiences be unworthy of your open-mindedness and investigation?

In conclusion, I hope that you will read all the above with a more open-mind and rethink your stance on the use of Natural Desiccated Thyroid hormone. It is a proven safe and effective form of treatment for over 122 years and counting. Your patients are counting on YOU to do what is right!

Sincerely,

A Hashimoto’s and Graves patient for over 28 years, Post Total Thryoidectomy 2012. Happily out of heart failure and OFF BP and Cholesterol meds, OFF Cholesterol meds since June 2013- when my thyroid doctor put me on Natural Desiccated Thyroid.

Very sad news: Dr. Gordon P. Skinner of the UK has passed away!

skinner TPAStop the Thyroid Madness is saddened to report of the passing of Dr. Gordon P. Skinner of the UK on Tuesday, November 26th due to a stroke. Skinner was a champion of thyroid patients, plus a medical practitioner who was beloved for his willingness to look outside the box in the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism. 

Dr. Skinner was a man of high education and esteem. He “graduated in Medicine at the University of Glasgow in 1965 and following house jobs in Glasgow and Midlands of England specialized in Obstetrics and Gynaecology and later in Virology and in 1976 became Senior Lecturer in Medical Microbiology at the University of Birmingham with Consultant status at the Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Birmingham. Dr Skinner’s research portfolio for which he was awarded the prestigious Doctorate of Science by the University of Birmingham can be found in his CV”.

Dr. Skinner was brilliant about the connection between ME/CFS and hypothyroidism. Years ago, he was one who saw the association between the condition of Myalgic Encephalopathy (which is also a term for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome) and hypothyroidism, in spite of so-called normal ranges. This was huge information and the same association was also seen by some thyroid patients around the turn of the century when they were moving over to natural desiccated thyroid (NDT) and doing so much better than they did on T4-only like Synthroid. Read about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome right on STTM.

Dr. Skinner was sadly challenged by the GMC. In June of 2005, Dr. Gordon Skinner, who was a private practitioner in the UK, was called before the General Medical Council to ascertain his “fitness to practice”. And why was he called before the board? Because of alleged “inappropriate clinical practice including maintaining medication for patients at dangerous levels and failures of communication with other medical practitioners.”  I mentioned this in October 2006. i.e. Dr. Skinner dared to listen to thyroid patient symptoms over what is deemed “normal” labwork via the TSH.  He also dared to use natural desiccated thyroid, aka porcine thyroid extract, to treat his patients until they saw the removal of symptoms. He began to receive restrictions in his ability to practice.

Dr. Skinner was now prohibited from seeing new patients unless they had been referred by a General Practitioner, and his decisions were to be reviewed by the GMC every six months for the next three years.

In 2007, I heard from Lyn Mynott, chair of Thyroid UK about Dr. Skinner being brought before the General Medical Council (GMC) because he dared to treat his patients with thyroid hormone when they have so-called “normal” blood lab test results. The GMC attempts to dictate what is “a good standard of practice and care” for patients and the “proper standards in medicine”. I spoke about this folly in the July 2007 blog post. His restrictions continued.

Dr. Skinner was appalled by the belief that a TSH up to 10 was normal. The Royal College of Physicians and the Royal College of General Practitioners had implied by 2010 that patients should not received a diagnosis of hypothyroidism if their TSH was less than 10, and Skinner found it senseless. They had also stated that the thyroid extract called Armour was a bad medication (in spite of the fact that millions of us worldwide have had our lives change thanks to NDT).

Dr. Skinner was free to practice fully again in November 2011. i.e. his restrictions were lifted and his Fitness to Practice was restored. But in May 2012, he was forced to appear before the GMC once again, where conditions were imposed on him, including being supervised by a particular Endocrinologist

Dr. Skinner was the creator of the World Thyroid Register. This was created to “address the parlous situation of patients who are hypothyroid and have yet not been diagnosed and indeed patients who are being managed with an unacceptably low level of thyroid replacement.”

Dr. Skinner wrote the book “Diagnosis and Management of Hypothyroidism” about the symptoms of hypothyroidism and issues with getting diagnosed.

Thyroid UK summed it up well: “He will be sadly missed by his family, friends and thousands of thyroid patients whom he has helped to regain their lives through his diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism. Many patients became firm friends with Dr Skinner, enjoying his quirky sense of humour and it is so sad that we will never be able to hear his lovely Scottish lilt again.”

SkinnerYou will be missed, Dr. Skinner, and remembered by Thyroid Patients worldwide with admiration! We send our condolences to your family and closest friends, as well as to all your patients who will miss you greatly. Rest in Peace!

**Photo on top from the TPA UK site; below from Thyroid UK 

 

 

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