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Doctor questions if adrenal fatigue is real….so is it??

Screen Shot 2015-08-13 at 1.26.06 PM(This page was updated. Enjoy!)

In 2009, Louis Neipris, M.D., a staff writer who has written many fine articles for myOptumHealth.com, wrote one article titled Adrenal Fatigue: Is it for real?

It appeared on Upper Michigan News, TV 6 website on July 16th and made the rounds on other sites.

His answer to his own question?  “Not really”. He adds  “It’s not an accepted medical diagnosis.”

Oops. Thyroid patients and a growing body of informed medical practitioners beg to differ.

About the term “Adrenal Fatigue”

Patients in the earliest discussion groups were using the term “adrenal fatigue” right after the turn of the 21st century, probably because they saw it used so often on the internet, as well as referred to in certain books. And we did think that the adrenals became “tired” as a way to explain the low cortisol we outright saw in each other’s saliva results, as well as symptoms. The term “adrenal insufficiency” also fit.

Later, it became more popular with patients to identify the biological cause of our low cortisol as being rooted in a sluggish HPA axis, i.e. the messaging between the Hypothalamus to the Pituitary to the Adrenals. That messaging wasn’t as vibrant as it should be.

Fast forward to the 2014 book Stop the Thyroid Madness II, where the last chapter by Dr. Lena D. Edwards et al does a bang-up job explaining what might really be going on, and which they term “hypocortisolism”. They propose five brilliant and biologically valid reasons why we see low cortisol:

  • a developmental response to high stress
  • a corticotrophin-releasing factor (CRF) receptor down-regulation
  • inadequate glucocorticoid signaling
  • intrinsic adrenal gland dysfunction
  • an adaptive response towards infection or inflammation.

See Chapter 13, pages 291-292 for more details on each of the five. It’s a brilliant chapter on the subject within the STTM II book.

In other words, there are explainable and logical reasons why certain thyroid patients have low cortisol, and it’s very real, whether you call it adrenal fatigue, adrenal insufficiency or hypocortisolism.

The cortisol saliva test

One excellent method, we as informed patients, prove our low cortisol state is by the use of saliva testing. The important aspect of saliva testing has been two-fold: 1) it reveals our cellular level of cortisol, which we’ve noticed has always fit our symptoms (if the facility we use knows that they are doing, as do the ones listed on the Recommended Labwork page which do not need a doctor’s prescription), and 2) it tests us at four key times during a 24 hour period (which is important to see the fuller picture of what our adrenals are doing.)

We’re learned repeatedly, in comparison, that blood cortisol is not the way to go, since with blood, you are measuring both bound and unbound cortisol. And as informed patients, we have noticed that blood cortisol can look high, yet both saliva testing and our symptoms reveal we are actually low, cellularly. We’ve even seen blood cortisol measure low, yet saliva and our symptoms reveal high…even though it’s less common that the other way around. It’s uncanny! Also, with blood cortisol testing, a misinformed doctor will only do one test instead of the needed four.

What has been the impetus behind the low cortisol state of a large body of thyroid patients?

Two very clear reasons:  first, being held hostage to the TSH lab test, giving one a “normal” reading for years in spite of obvious clinical presentation of hypothyroid symptoms, and pushing one’s adrenals into overdrive with high cortisol and adrenaline to keep the patient going, and ultimately leading to the downwards spiral of adrenal fatigue/adrenal insufficiency/hypocortisolism.  On page 65 of the revised Stop the Thyroid Madness book, you’ll read about a 44 year old woman who went 15 years with a “normal” TSH result, in spite of obvious clinical presentation of hypothyroidism, and which led to her own low cortisol. This is not uncommon.

Second, the risk of adrenal fatigue is high due to the inadequate treatment of T4 medications like Synthroid, Levoxyl, levothyroxine, Eltroxin, Tirosent and other T4-only meds. Because of being forced to live for conversion alone, and missing out on the compliment of all five thyroid hormones, T4-only meds leave a high percentage of patients with their own brand and intensity of lingering symptoms of a poor treatment…sooner or later…forcing the adrenals to kick in for too long, for many.

Even William Mck. Jeffries MD., who wrote the medical classic Safe Uses of Cortisol around 1984, understood the preponderance of adrenal fatigue and low cortisol, even without the diagnosis of Addison’s disease, and the need for physiologic doses of cortisol treatment, or the amount needed by each individual’s body to function correctly.  And he would certainly be amazed by the explosion of adrenal fatigue that has occurred since then in thyroid patients thanks to the lousy TSH and synthetic T4-only ‘affaire de coeur’ with doctors.

Adrenal fatigue may not be an “accepted diagnosis” by some medical professionals.  But today, there are a growing body of open-minded practitioners who recognize its reality as an acceptable diagnosis, and for which we are grateful.  Now our job as patients is to make sure our more open-minded doctors understand what we have on how to treat it! 

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** Chapters 5 and 6 in the revised STTM book contain the best details about adrenals and treatment in any book. 

** Here’s a page on STTM listing a variety of symptoms related to a cortisol problem: //www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/symptoms-low-cortisol/

The intrusion of reality about levothyroxine, Synthroid, T4 and depression

 

STTM Depression and T4-only(This post was updated to the present day and time. Enjoy!)

I’ve been perusing comments in response to the UK’s Royal College of Physicians blundering and dark-age-constructed Diagnosis and Treatment of Primary Hypothyroidism.  And though all comments are quite good and worth your read, I was struck by the comment titled May Reality Intrude? by a man named Charles.

Charles profound story about his wife’s depression

Charles explains that in 1999, his 67-year-old wife had RAI (radioactive iodine) and was then put on levothyroxine, a T4-only medication (aka Synthroid, Levoxyl, Eltroxin, Oroxine, levothyroxine, et al).  And not long after, she complained of having depression.

He had an idea why after reading the New England Journal of Medicine about T3, and proceeded to buy her Armour off the internet.  For those reading this, Armour is one of several brands of Natural Desiccated Thyroid–the latter which contains all five hormones that a healthy thyroid produces: T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin.

Without her knowing, he switched medications. Lo and behold, he states “she promptly returned to her usual sunny disposition”. Her physician knew nothing of the switch either, and found nothing to be concerned about in her.

Charles then explained how, at age 74 in 2007, she was near death thanks to an ulcer bleed.  And to continue treating her hypothyroidism, the hospital gave her levothyroxine, aka T4-only, all over again.  Back came her depression and a feeling of wanting to go home and die.

So Charles brought her Armour to the hospital, and though her physical state was depressing enough, her sunny disposition returned.  And that happy spirit while still on Armour continues today after a full recovery.

And Charles pondered: If his wife had been in a NHS (National Health Service) hospital under the care of a so-called thyroid specialist of the NHS, would she have failed to obtain T3 in her treatment and instead, sent to a psychiatrist as if her depression had nothing to do with her levothyroxine treated hypothyroidism–the very treatment that the Royal College of Physicians has a dogmatic love affair with?

He then concludes: My wife’s depression was obvious. Since she is equipped with much the same assortment of body parts and associated physiology as others, is it not likely that many levothyroxine-treated patients suffer from less-noticeable depression?

Our experiences as thyroid patients agree with Charles!

Well Charles, most any thyroid patient who decides to respond to this will tell you unequivocally YES, YES, YES.  Because there’s no research, study or directive that is more profound and telling than the actual EXPERIENCE of patients all over the world with T4 treatment and depression…besides a slew of other side effects of continuing hypothyroidism on T4-only meds.

Why have so many experienced depression on T4-only?

Because we’ve learned repeatedly that the body is not meant to live for T4 alone, which is simply a storage hormone, not to live for conversion alone. T4 is meant to convert to the active hormone T3. Studies reveal that T3 influences the effect of the transmitters serotonin and catecholamine in the brain–both which effect mood. Without enough T3, an imbalance in serotonin seems to occur. So when one is forced to live for conversion alone, the body doesn’t appear to get enough of the powerful T3. Depression is just one of many side effects of a poor treatment with T4-only.

Go here to read several stories of patients whose depression went away with the right thyroid treatment.

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Yes, Jessica Terry, it’s weird to have to self-diagnose, but thyroid patients have had to do the same thing!

Jessica Terry is an 18 year old student at Washington State high school in the Bay Area who had years of problems which doctors couldn’t figure out: vomiting, diarrhea, weight loss and stomach pains.  Doctors said she had irritable bowel syndrome or colitis, and said her intestinal tissue was just fine according to slides.

Yet, she just knew that wasn’t correct.

So she took some of her own intestinal tissue to her Biomedical Problems class, and voila…she diagnosed her own problem:  granuloma, and specifically, Crohn’s disease, an inflammation of her intestines.

Sound familiar??

Yup, thyroid patients have had to do the exact same thing–self-diagnose– for almost ten years because of continuing symptoms of hypothyroidism which doctors have routinely dismissed, pooh-poohed or blamed on something else.  It’s all been a horrific, wide-reaching and damaging 50 year medical scandal by the medical establishment upon thyroid patients.

And why has this calamity occurred? Because doctors have always been hoodwinked by their medical school training, continuing education and Big-Pharma-financed-research in believing that T4-only thyroxine medications like Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, Eltroxin, et. al. were from God Almighty, and the TSH lab test was just as holy.

And thanks to thyroid patients around the world who had the gall to use the internet and join patient groups, we figured out it’s all because those medications and labwork have not worked, and what has worked. Additionally, it was patients who discovered they had adrenal fatigue and/or low ferritin and how to treat it, and patients who have succeeded in beginning a wave of change around the world in the treatment and diagnosis of hypothyroidism (except for the UK, who has gone backwards to the dark ages).

You can read Jessica’s story first reported in the Sammamish Reporter,  and only recently reported to a wider audience in the Bay Area News newspaper. She also spoke to a CNN affiliate.

Thanks to Kem on NTH for informing me of this news.

P.S. Do ya think that any newspapers or major news outlets like CNN are going to finally get what a huge story thyroid patients have given them?? We’re still waiting……

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I have a dream

As Susan Boyle of the UK had a dream which came true, I too wish from the deepest place in my heart that someday soon, SOMEONE from the mass media will FINALLY get smart and do a wide-reaching story for the hundreds of millions who are still on T4 meds like Sythroid, Levoxyl, Levothyroxine, Eltroxin, Oroxine…and who have depression or a myriad of other lingering symptoms of a sucky, laughable and shameful treatment.  This video inspires me today just as it did a few weeks ago.  Enjoy and dream with me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFzS0wgwyW4&annotation_id=annotation_179773&feature=iv 🙂

Janie

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*See below on how being on T4 meds can affect your liver. And below that–why I’m handing my promise ring back to Forest Pharmaceuticals.

Another reason to shun T4 meds—your liver

Though this page was originally written in 2009, it’s been updated to the current day and time. Time does not change that your liver “may” be negatively effected by T4-only meds, or even being underdosed on NDT or T3. 

I’ve been noticing several articles coming out about a strong association between hypothyroidism and a twice the risk of liver disease and liver cancer, especially in females.

And then it dawned on me: another strong reason patients end up up playing basketball with their trash cans using bottles of Synthroid, Levoxyl, Levothroxine or Eltroxin, and being replaced with a working desiccated thyroid or T4/T3 at the same time.

In other words, continued hypothyroidism (which being on T4-only meds has promoted) and undiagnosed hypothyroidism (because of the inadequacy of the TSH lab test) can ‘potentially’ promote the development of nonalcoholic steatohepatitis, a more severe Fatty Liver disease, if these articles are right. The next progression is liver cancer, aka hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC).

Even worse, the study revealed that women who had been hypothyroid for more than 10 years had a threefold higher risk of liver cancer compared to women without a history of thyroid disorders. This will make you pause when you consider how many reports there are of patients having hypothyroid symptoms for YEARS with a normal TSH…and a clueless, TSH-worshipping doctor.

And if reading this bores you, understand that your liver is a HIGHLY important gland that you can’t live without. It plays a key role in detoxifying the toxins you ingest and breath in daily (including smoking), besides being a major fat burner.  Make the liver diseased, and you become a breeding ground for toxins, the rise of other diseases…then death.

The solution? Patients are running from TSH and T4-only doctors, finding a doctor to put them on a working desiccated thyroid, or T4/T3, and avoiding the most common mistakes of dosing.

P.S. The original report came out in the May journal issue of Hepatology  (the latter is now non-working–here’s the correct place it was to go.) (published by John Wiley & Sons on behalf of the American Association for the Study of Liver Diseases).  Similar results were also reported in the Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology 2005.

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